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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95419 Gender:	Four Corners on Fox and Trump Aug 23^rd, 2021 at 9:20pm The best documentary all year. Watch: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-23/fox-news-trump-four-corners-investigation...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136758 Gender:	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #1 - Aug 23^rd, 2021 at 9:40pm https://iview.abc.net.au/video/NC2103H028S00
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 45197 Gender:	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #2 - Aug 23^rd, 2021 at 9:43pm Looking forward to an expose on The Granuiad and Schwartz Media and the ABC/CNN/NYT cabal.
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Reply #3 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:52pm

I found the documentary a little elementary. The host describing Fox News' behaviour as a ' threat to democracy was a little childish. How can something that doesn't exist be threatened? The anecdotes of hard working newsmen doesn't fool anyone. Only an attard would believe media outlets exist for anyone other reason than selling advertising space. And providing a platform for corporations to lobby governments. Then again, what can we expect from the national propagandist?

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Reply #4 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:58pm

One of the criticisms of Fox News during the rise of Trump was that it broadcast his campaign rallies and was rewarded with boosted ratings. This is an extraordinary revelation about the ABC and the broader left – they think it is a crime against journalism to give unfiltered coverage to a right-of-centre presidential candidate and their evidence is that people wanted to see it!

The ABC would have learned more if it thought about this perspective and wondered about the reasons for the success of Fox News. It was there, buried away in this program, in a clip of Rupert Murdoch and Fox News chief executive Roger Ailes on Fox and Friends celebrating the 15th anniversary of the station a decade ago.

Asked why he thought the network would work, Murdoch says he had a “hunch there was room for another point of view”. When you consider that response and the success Fox News has enjoyed, it is a massive indictment on the political groupthink of the other television networks.

Indeed, in the same clip, Ailes recounts how Fox News discovered “a secret niche in broadcasting, half the American people”. That is a telling observation that the ABC would do well to consider, but instead it portrayed Ailes as some sort of evil genius who was the “creator and dark eminence” of Fox News who was “pulling the strings behind the scenes”. He was the CEO; pulling the strings was his job.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/commentary/fox-news-expose-shows-same-old-script-from-the-abc/news-story/47600ded22bcc10fe9b4baa93a35541b

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Reply #5 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 6:10pm

"Former President Donald Trump lashed out at Fox News in a written statement after the network reported that an Associate Press investigation found only 182 potentially fraudulent ballots out of 3 million votes cast in Arizona during the 2020 presidential election. Former Fox News political editor Chris Stirewalt shares what has surprised him the most about the reaction from Republicans and Trump supporters that Fox News called Arizona for President Joe Biden."

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Reply #6 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 6:45pm

The ABC’s flagship program Four Corners has stopped viewers from posting comments on its Facebook and Twitter accounts after it copped intense criticism for its ‘expose’ into Fox News that aired on Monday night.

The publicly-funded broadcaster put an abrupt end to social media users commenting on the program’s online accounts about the first episode of the two-part series, blaming breaches of their social media guidelines for the move.

The ABC is rejecting the suggestion it is a deliberate move to censor debate about Monday’s night’s controversial episode.

Biased?? The ABC??? Nooooo..... Nevvvaaaa!!!!

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Reply #7 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 6:49pm

The two-part series includes interviews with former disgruntled employees of Fox News in a bid to smear the Murdoch-controlled broadcaster and makes a baseless claim in its first episode that the news outlet has a “role in amplifying Trump’s lies that the election was stolen from him”.

ABC reporter Sarah Ferguson was the journalist leading the series titled, The Big Lie, but the program had many glaring omissions and failed to include any groundbreaking revelations.

In another post made by the official Four Corners Twitter account on Monday afternoon it has also stopped the ability for anyone to make comments.

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Reply #8 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 7:53pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

I found the documentary a little elementary. The host describing Fox News' behaviour as a ' threat to democracy was a little childish. How can something that doesn't exist be threatened? The anecdotes of hard working newsmen doesn't fool anyone. Only an attard would believe media outlets exist for anyone other reason than selling advertising space. And providing a platform for corporations to lobby governments. Then again, what can we expect from the national propagandist?

Who's saying Fox can't sell ad space? Or lobby governments?

Fox was part of the Trump government. Its presenters joined the campaign. It either championed or excused everything Trump did. Fox lost advertisers because of this. It was forced to sack Jeanine Pirro and others to keep advertisers.

Before you say oh, all media outlets do this, they don't. It's unprecedented. Newspapers can campaign for who they want. TV broadcasters are different, due to their mass audience. Fox could never have come into being if the broadcasting code wasn't watered down, and even then it had to pretend to be "fair and balanced" to appease the regulators.

Selling the election lie was the final straw. Fox presenters have been exposed and forced to admit they lied. This is a mainstream national news network. Unprecedented.

If you're under any doubt how toxic Fox is, check out the old boy's New Ltd agit prop. You can always rely on the old boy. You're guaranteed he'll take the most extremist and moronic position there is. Total kool-aid material.

This isn't about political ideology, left or right, it's about lies. Defending Fox is admitting you want to be lied to.

Next week, they interview Sidney Powell. She walks out on the interview. Interestingly, Trump is the only president to have ever done the same.

So unfair asking a president why he lied, no? So unfair asking his lawyer. So unfair to stand up to the most corrupt administration since Nixon.

It's time you woke up and smelled the coffee. Either that, or join the old boy in his cyanide-laced kool-aid.

There's no middle ground. Fox has taken a side. It's the biggest existential threat to the US since the civil war.

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Reply #9 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:04pm

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 6:45pm:

The ABC’s flagship program Four Corners has stopped viewers from posting comments on its Facebook and Twitter accounts after it copped intense criticism for its ‘expose’ into Fox News that aired on Monday night.

The publicly-funded broadcaster put an abrupt end to social media users commenting on the program’s online accounts about the first episode of the two-part series, blaming breaches of their social media guidelines for the move.

The ABC is rejecting the suggestion it is a deliberate move to censor debate about Monday’s night’s controversial episode.

Biased?? The ABC??? Nooooo..... Nevvvaaaa!!!!

News Ltd's going hard, eh?

What did you think of the Leveson Inquiry, old boy? What do you think of a tabloid hacking into a dead kid's phone and deleting messages?

You're a "conservative", no? What do you think of News Corp hacking the royal family? Blackmailing British prime ministers? Keeping files on all the dirty little secrets of the British political class, not to keep its readers informed, but to use them as leverage in its media deals and media ownership laws?

Biased?

Nevaaaaaa!!!!

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Reply #10 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:09pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

I found the documentary a little elementary. The host describing Fox News' behaviour as a ' threat to democracy was a little childish. How can something that doesn't exist be threatened? The anecdotes of hard working newsmen doesn't fool anyone. Only an attard would believe media outlets exist for anyone other reason than selling advertising space. And providing a platform for corporations to lobby governments. Then again, what can we expect from the national propagandist?

Put me down for the exact opposite of the above.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58262 Here Gender:	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #11 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:14pm Fox have seemed to perform as the propaganda arm of the Republican party for as long as memory persists. They got clearly worse with Trump as President.
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21671 A cat with a view	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #12 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:15pm I watched it. It was great seeing video footage of Trump again, in his 'heyday' !!! That was definitely the best part of the program.
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Reply #13 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:16pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 7:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

I found the documentary a little elementary. The host describing Fox News' behaviour as a ' threat to democracy was a little childish. How can something that doesn't exist be threatened? The anecdotes of hard working newsmen doesn't fool anyone. Only an attard would believe media outlets exist for anyone other reason than selling advertising space. And providing a platform for corporations to lobby governments. Then again, what can we expect from the national propagandist?

Who's saying Fox can't sell ad space? Or lobby governments?

Fox was part of the Trump government. Its presenters joined the campaign. It either championed or excused everything Trump did. Fox lost advertisers because of this. It was forced to sack Jeanine Pirro and others to keep advertisers.

Before you say oh, all media outlets do this, they don't. It's unprecedented. Newspapers can campaign for who they want. TV broadcasters are different, due to their mass audience. Fox could never have come into being if the broadcasting code wasn't watered down, and even then it had to pretend to be "fair and balanced" to appease the regulators.

Selling the election lie was the final straw. Fox presenters have been exposed and forced to admit they lied. This is a mainstream national news network. Unprecedented.

If you're under any doubt how toxic Fox is, check out the old boy's New Ltd agit prop. You can always rely on the old boy. You're guaranteed he'll take the most extremist and moronic position there is. Total kool-aid material.

This isn't about political ideology, left or right, it's about lies. Defending Fox is admitting you want to be lied to.

Next week, they interview Sidney Powell. She walks out on the interview. Interestingly, Trump is the only president to have ever done the same.

So unfair asking a president why he lied, no? So unfair asking his lawyer. So unfair to stand up to the most corrupt administration since Nixon.

It's time you woke up and smelled the coffee. Either that, or join the old boy in his cyanide-laced kool-aid.

There's no middle ground. Fox has taken a side. It's the biggest existential threat to the US since the civil war.

Cuban missile crisis? Vietnam? Watergate? Iran Contra Affair? Iraq one and two? GFC? Climate change denial? The greatest existential threat since the last one. Or the next one. What hope is there of change when the media relies on government for its very survival? I'll tells ya....none.

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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #14 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:20pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:15pm:

I watched it.

It was great seeing video footage of Trump again, in his 'heyday' !!!

That was definitely the best part of the program.

Yes, Y, that was Mr Trump's heyday.

After the bankruptcies, getting the sack from NBC, and becoming the most ineffective president in US history.

For Mr Trump though, his lowest ebb was getting chucked off Twitter.

Checked out his site yet?

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