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Reply #15 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:21pm

Yadda wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:15pm:

I watched it.

It was great seeing video footage of Trump again, in his 'heyday' !!!

That was definitely the best part of the program.

When was his heyday?

When he was taken to court for allegedly raping a child?

When he sent a casino broke?

When he was defeated at the last election by a record amount?

When he lost the popular vote at the 2016 election?

When he lost the Senate?

When he lost the House of Reps?

When he was ordered to pay back money that he stole from a children's charity?

When he was impeached the first time?

When he was impeached the second time?

When he said that COVID would miraculously disappear when the weather warms up?

When he told everyone to drink bleach?

When he looked directly into the sun during a solar eclipse?

I'm curious.

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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #16 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:23pm

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:16pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 7:53pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

I found the documentary a little elementary. The host describing Fox News' behaviour as a ' threat to democracy was a little childish. How can something that doesn't exist be threatened? The anecdotes of hard working newsmen doesn't fool anyone. Only an attard would believe media outlets exist for anyone other reason than selling advertising space. And providing a platform for corporations to lobby governments. Then again, what can we expect from the national propagandist?

Who's saying Fox can't sell ad space? Or lobby governments?

Fox was part of the Trump government. Its presenters joined the campaign. It either championed or excused everything Trump did. Fox lost advertisers because of this. It was forced to sack Jeanine Pirro and others to keep advertisers.

Before you say oh, all media outlets do this, they don't. It's unprecedented. Newspapers can campaign for who they want. TV broadcasters are different, due to their mass audience. Fox could never have come into being if the broadcasting code wasn't watered down, and even then it had to pretend to be "fair and balanced" to appease the regulators.

Selling the election lie was the final straw. Fox presenters have been exposed and forced to admit they lied. This is a mainstream national news network. Unprecedented.

If you're under any doubt how toxic Fox is, check out the old boy's New Ltd agit prop. You can always rely on the old boy. You're guaranteed he'll take the most extremist and moronic position there is. Total kool-aid material.

This isn't about political ideology, left or right, it's about lies. Defending Fox is admitting you want to be lied to.

Next week, they interview Sidney Powell. She walks out on the interview. Interestingly, Trump is the only president to have ever done the same.

So unfair asking a president why he lied, no? So unfair asking his lawyer. So unfair to stand up to the most corrupt administration since Nixon.

It's time you woke up and smelled the coffee. Either that, or join the old boy in his cyanide-laced kool-aid.

There's no middle ground. Fox has taken a side. It's the biggest existential threat to the US since the civil war.

Cuban missile crisis? Vietnam? Watergate? Iran Contra Affair? Iraq one and two? GFC? Climate change denial? The greatest existential threat since the last one. Or the next one. What hope is there of change when the media relies on government for its very survival? I'll tells ya....none.

No, dear, a president who orders an attack on the government, and a network who riles them up with fake news in support.

As those interviewed said, what Trump did was worse than Watergate.

I won't ask you.

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Reply #17 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:36pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:04pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 6:45pm:

The ABC’s flagship program Four Corners has stopped viewers from posting comments on its Facebook and Twitter accounts after it copped intense criticism for its ‘expose’ into Fox News that aired on Monday night.

The publicly-funded broadcaster put an abrupt end to social media users commenting on the program’s online accounts about the first episode of the two-part series, blaming breaches of their social media guidelines for the move.

The ABC is rejecting the suggestion it is a deliberate move to censor debate about Monday’s night’s controversial episode.

Biased?? The ABC??? Nooooo..... Nevvvaaaa!!!!

News Ltd's going hard, eh?

What did you think of the Leveson Inquiry, old boy? What do you think of a tabloid hacking into a dead kid's phone and deleting messages?

You're a "conservative", no? What do you think of News Corp hacking the royal family? Blackmailing British prime ministers? Keeping files on all the dirty little secrets of the British political class, not to keep its readers informed, but to use them as leverage in its media deals and media ownership laws?

Biased?

Nevaaaaaa!!!!

Not condoning any of it, of course.

BUT.

Get this. important.

Sitting up? Paying attention? Sure?

Let's see if you do.

The ABC MUST be non-partial. Code. Public funding. Not taking POLITICAL sides. Are you still following? Public funding = impartial. Still here?

Good.

Private media = not publicly funded. Oh? meaning??

Er... no impartiality obligations. You are not paying for their views.

BOOM!!!

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 45211 Gender:	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #18 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:47pm Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:23pm: As those interviewed said, what Trump did was worse than Watergate. Thank you, Bwian.
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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #19 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 9:14pm

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:04pm:

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 6:45pm:

The ABC’s flagship program Four Corners has stopped viewers from posting comments on its Facebook and Twitter accounts after it copped intense criticism for its ‘expose’ into Fox News that aired on Monday night.

The publicly-funded broadcaster put an abrupt end to social media users commenting on the program’s online accounts about the first episode of the two-part series, blaming breaches of their social media guidelines for the move.

The ABC is rejecting the suggestion it is a deliberate move to censor debate about Monday’s night’s controversial episode.

Biased?? The ABC??? Nooooo..... Nevvvaaaa!!!!

News Ltd's going hard, eh?

What did you think of the Leveson Inquiry, old boy? What do you think of a tabloid hacking into a dead kid's phone and deleting messages?

You're a "conservative", no? What do you think of News Corp hacking the royal family? Blackmailing British prime ministers? Keeping files on all the dirty little secrets of the British political class, not to keep its readers informed, but to use them as leverage in its media deals and media ownership laws?

Biased?

Nevaaaaaa!!!!

Not condoning any of it, of course.

BUT.

Get this. important.

Sitting up? Paying attention? Sure?

Let's see if you do.

The ABC MUST be non-partial. Code. Public funding. Not taking POLITICAL sides. Are you still following? Public funding = impartial. Still here?

Good.

Private media = not publicly funded. Oh? meaning??

Er... no impartiality obligations. You are not paying for their views.

BOOM!!!

Not defending any of it. Oh, of course. Just so.

You then go on to defend it. Yeah-but-no-but, squishy, spineless, utterly appalling, etc, etc, etc, who?

Why, of course. Who else?

You.

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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #20 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 9:24pm

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:47pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:23pm:

As those interviewed said, what Trump did was worse than Watergate.

Thank you, Bwian.

Brian?

No, dear, the guy who called the result in Arizona, and was subsequently fired for telling the truth.

Imagine, most news organisations give out promotions or nominations for awards. Fox gives you the sack.

That, and a multi-million dollar payout for keeping mum.

Yes, our ABC couldn't report the full story because those involved have signed non-disclosure agreements. Cunning, no?

And 100% you.

Feel free to keep defending it, old boy. Give us a good old Roll Eyes

when you've stopped yawning.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 45211 Gender:	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #21 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 9:28pm You are squirming.
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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #22 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 9:57pm

Frank wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 9:28pm:

You are squirming.

Just so. As if cutting and pasting unreferenced News Ltd editorial wasn't just squirming, but wringing, wriggling and writhing on the hook.

But to then come up with, oh, "not condoning any of it, of course", that's the clincher.

Not only are you squirming, dear boy, you've been completely disembowelled.

The spine, of course, was long gone. They say that when a host attacks an organism, he leaves the heart and lungs for last.

Post us something by Andrew Bolt while you still have a pulse.

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Mr Hammer Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25212 Gender:	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #23 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 10:57pm One day the doyens will get around to talking about John Quincy Adams. Or James Munro. Or Woodrow Wilson. Or even Jack Kennedy. I won't hold my breath.
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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #24 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 11:06pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 8:09pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

I found the documentary a little elementary. The host describing Fox News' behaviour as a ' threat to democracy was a little childish. How can something that doesn't exist be threatened? The anecdotes of hard working newsmen doesn't fool anyone. Only an attard would believe media outlets exist for anyone other reason than selling advertising space. And providing a platform for corporations to lobby governments. Then again, what can we expect from the national propagandist?

Put me down for the exact opposite of the above.

Phew. I couldn't bear sharing an opinion with a numpty.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95421 Gender:	Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump Reply #25 - Aug 24^th, 2021 at 11:27pm Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 10:57pm: One day the doyens will get around to talking about John Quincy Adams. Or James Munro. Or Woodrow Wilson. Or even Jack Kennedy. I won't hold my breath. The breath's the last thing to go, as every schoolboy knows.
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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #27 - Aug 25^th, 2021 at 12:56am

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 5:52pm:

I found the documentary a little elementary. The host describing Fox News' behaviour as a ' threat to democracy was a little childish. How can something that doesn't exist be threatened? The anecdotes of hard working newsmen doesn't fool anyone. Only an attard would believe media outlets exist for anyone other reason than selling advertising space. And providing a platform for corporations to lobby governments. Then again, what can we expect from the national propagandist?

The greatest threat to government is democracy.

The greatest threat to democracy is government.

Look closely, Grasshoppers, at the number of elected politicians who work against your best interests and against whom you have no recourse.... at the number of public appointees who work against your interests and against whom you have even less recourse... at the number of 'outside' contractors who work against your best interests and against whom you have no recourse.... at the number of public servants who work against your best interests and against whom you have no recourse.... look at the courts and legal system that work against your best interests and against whom you have no recourse.

Can anyone safely say that government is not the greatest danger to the will of the people = democracy?

Power To the People NOW!

Never once thought I'd be uttering that hippy phrase...... just goes to show, eh?

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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #28 - Aug 25^th, 2021 at 12:59am

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 11:41pm:

Trump bad. Dems good. Better?

If you're going for an Orwell quote, Homo, it might help to go and read Orwell first.

Fox News is the very definition of Orwellian. There's two uses of television: outlets for totalitarian propaganda, and those who call it for what it is.

Who's side are you on?

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Re: Four Corners on Fox and Trump
Reply #29 - Aug 25^th, 2021 at 1:04am

Karnal wrote on Aug 25^th, 2021 at 12:59am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Aug 24^th, 2021 at 11:41pm:

Trump bad. Dems good. Better?

If you're going for an Orwell quote, Homo, it might help to go and read Orwell first.

Fox News is the very definition of Orwellian. There's two uses of television: outlets for totalitarian propaganda, and those who call it for what it is.

Who's side are you on?

I wasn't referring to Animal Farm. I'm aware of the use of media for the purpose of totalitarian propaganda. I haven't experienced the other thing.

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