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Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to a perso
Aug 26^th, 2021 at 8:56pm

Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to persons who choose to be, 'wanna-be' rapists, thiefs, or murderers ?

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"“Self-evident” truths are just not so “self-evident”,
to the average Afghan, Pakistani, Iraqi, Russian, South African or Chinese citizen"

But why so ?

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Our Mistaken Ideas About Human Rights Failed Us in Afghanistan

Aug 25, 2021
By Daniel Greenfield 6 Comments

Daniel Greenfield, a Shillman Journalism Fellow at the Freedom Center, is an investigative journalist and writer focusing on the radical Left and Islamic terrorism.

Human rights are not a government, they’re a culture.

America was founded on that simple premise. The Declaration of Independence’s conviction in the equality of men, individual rights, and governments gaining their authority from the consent of the governed was based on “self-evident” truths.

These truths are “self-evident” to Americans in the way that they’re not self-evident to the average Afghan, Pakistani, Iraqi, Russian, South African or Chinese citizen. They have their own truths that are equally “self-evident” to them based on their own worldview and culture.

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And even in America there are voices that favor tearing up the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution and reverting to a hierarchical model. From the Marxists on the Left to the Neo-Reactionaries on the Right, there are those who would turn back the clock to feudalism with enlightened philosopher-kings imposing an “ideal society” on the inferior class of men.

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2021/08/our-mistaken-ideas-about-human-rights-failed-...

Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to persons who choose to be, 'wanna-be' rapists, thiefs, or murderers ?

And what truths are, or should be “self-evident”, to each and every one of us ?

Conscience.

Matthew 7:12
.....all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

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Why are all men today, so 'wrong' [so immoral] ?

What is inside men today, which puts them at such enmity with the values of the God of the bible ?

Matthew 11:12
And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Matthew 20:25
But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

QUESTION;
What was it, that Jesus said, is the whole, of the law and the prophets ?

"the whole, of the law and the prophets" = = the whole of biblical theology.

Not so ?

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42269	Re: Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to a perso Reply #1 - Aug 26^th, 2021 at 8:58pm What is not self-evident to you, Yadda, is your islamophobia. Tsk, tsk.
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Reply #2 - Aug 26^th, 2021 at 9:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26^th, 2021 at 8:58pm:

What is not self-evident to you, Yadda, is your islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What do you like about Islam, Brian? What's to LIKE about it?

Tell us. Go on, you are articulate doctor, trained in history, you must have words to explain what you like about Islam.

Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Reply #3 - Aug 26^th, 2021 at 9:04pm

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".....Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:
Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:
We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:
Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:"

Dictionary;
booty = = valuable stolen goods. the spoils of warfare.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #4 - Aug 26^th, 2021 at 9:10pm

Frank wrote on Aug 26^th, 2021 at 9:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Aug 26^th, 2021 at 8:58pm:

What is not self-evident to you, Yadda, is your islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What do you like about Islam, Brian? What's to LIKE about it?

Tell us. Go on, you are articulate doctor, trained in history, you must have words to explain what you like about Islam.

What is not self-evident to you, Soren, is your islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20508 Perth Gender:	Re: Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to a perso Reply #5 - Aug 26^th, 2021 at 9:49pm WTF does this have to do with America you paranoid dickhead???
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59064 Here Gender:	Re: Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to a perso Reply #6 - Aug 26^th, 2021 at 10:48pm Quote: Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to a perso Sometimes it could be that so many truths to some are not really true at all ?
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Reply #7 - Aug 27^th, 2021 at 6:00am

philperth2010 wrote on Aug 26^th, 2021 at 9:49pm:

WTF does this have to do with America you paranoid dickhead???

selected from the article linked in the OP

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“Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness” came from people who believed that God loves us and wants us to enjoy life. Beheadings, butchery, and the burka came from Islamists who believe that Allah does not like us very much and that we deserve to be miserable.

The respective governments of America and the Muslim world just play out that theology.

America’s approach to individual freedom and meritocratic government came out of broader English and European intellectual trends. Western nations mostly came around to the approach, at least after two world wars, finding that happy people made for a good economy and stability.

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The problem with exporting our “self-evident” ideas is that they’re based on the belief in a loving and merciful God, on the value of individual life, and the genius of individual innovation. Most of the world’s cultures are not only not individualistic, many, like the People’s Republic of China or the Muslim world, are actively anti-individualistic and believe morality comes from hierarchy.

Is morality individual or is it collective? Is the role of government to free people to make moral choices or to force them to make the right choice? Where you come down on the answer to that issue is going to determine the sort of society and government you want and will fight fight for.

If you’re a member of the Taliban, of the Chinese Communist Party, a believer in critical race theory or the neo-reactionary ideology, odds are you will come down on the collective side.

And on the side of tyranny.

Is life basically good or bad? Are most people bad or good? Does God love us or hate us?

You can’t just casually export our underlying assumptions behind human rights to cultures that answer these questions in very different ways.

All of us, in a more tribal America, have experienced the frustration of mutually incomprehensible conversations with our fellow Americans that appear to be about issues,
mask mandates,
Black Lives Matter,
or abortion,
but that are actually about culture and values.

If it’s all but impossible to establish common ground on what rights and freedoms are with other Americans, what were the odds that we were going to do it with Afghans or Iraqis?

America can and should export human rights. But the best way to do it is by example.

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Exporting human rights is not a matter of finding dictators to overthrow. The Muslim world isn’t Europe. It’s not in a state of conflict between tyranny and freedom, but between different flavors of tyranny which all share underlying assumptions about hierarchy over individualism.

Regime change won’t fix the culture.

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We should condemn evil where we see it without assuming that we can make it go away and that should drive us to build alliances with nations that share our culture, heritage and values. Instead of spending billions reconstructing enemies, we’re better off strengthening our friends.

Above all else, we should show that our values lead to a good life. The example that we set for the rest of the world will do more to spread human rights than any military interventions.

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After a century of ideological cold wars, countering Communism and then Islamism, we have a lot of military interventions under our belt, but have gotten no better at making arguments for our way of life to our own people. While we were trying to convince Africans that Marxism wasn’t for them, our Ivy League institutions adopted it. And while we tried to talk the Afghans and Iraqis out of Islamic theocracy, our own cities, institutions, and governments filled up with Islamists.

If we want to defeat Islamism and protect human rights and freedom, we should start at home.

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The fundamental lesson of our founding is that we can’t defend our rights without also defending our culture. The self-evident truths on which our freedoms were founded are no longer all that self-evident on a college campus, let alone in Islamist enclaves like Dearborn or Little Mogadishu. If we want to save our rights, we’ll have to defeat the Taliban at home.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #8 - Aug 27^th, 2021 at 6:21am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 26^th, 2021 at 10:48pm:

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Why are some truths NOT “self-evident”, to a perso

Sometimes it could be that so many truths to some are not really true at all ?

Murder and oppression, is murder and oppression. - TRUTH

Liberty, freedom of conscience, equal liberty, freedom of conscience, personal merit and property rights. - TRUTH

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The problem with exporting our “self-evident” ideas is that they’re based on the belief in a loving and merciful God,

....on the value of individual life, and the genius of individual innovation.

Most of the world’s cultures are not only not individualistic, many, like the People’s Republic of China or the Muslim world, are actively anti-individualistic and believe morality comes from hierarchy.

God given.

100 x, ...God given.

You have a conscience, which is able to inform ALL of your personal choices.

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But does your conscience 'have a say', in the choices you make ?

Atheist, or, realist ?

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Deuteronomy 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:

Romans 8:7
.....the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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