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Reply #45 - Sep 23rd, 2021 at 9:01pm
 
rhino wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 12:09am:
You dont know the basics, fat doesnt get stored more easily as fat on the body, the body burns fat more easily and makes into a combination of glucose and ketones. Muscle isnt burned or wasted when you dont eat, the body preserves muscle by burning visceral fat, thats why the body stores it. You think our ancestors bodies started cannibalising vital muscle and organs when they didnt eat? We wouldnt be here if that was so. Your post is completely full of misconceptions and ignorance on the subject of nutrition. Sports nutrritionist my arse. Dwayne johnson is a steroid user you twat, and so what, Hemsworth eats 6 times a day. 

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The weight loss industry is worth billions lots of bullshit fads fleecing people without giving long term healthy gains.
yeh I know, like the completely unsustainable and unhealthy bullsh1t 6 times a day diet with steroids. Take your ignorant cr@p somewhere else dummy.


Did you miss the part where i said if you eat more calories than you burn it will go on as fat regardless of the source of calories?

When you have a calorie deficit your body starts consuming fat which is really stored energy. It's really quite simple.

Dwyane might have taken steroids when he was wrestling i wouldn't call all huge people steroid users Dr Terry Ly who ran the sports science courses was built like Bolo from the Bruce Lee movies he never took steroids i know quite a few huge people who have never used them.

When people take steroids it's usually a 6 week course then they take HCG injections to get their balls to drop testicular shrinkage is a side effect. They recover much faster which means they can work out everyday increasing weights with massive strength gains. They also need to up their protein intake. A lot of gym owners peddle steroids to the gullible hard work is under rated i would not recommend using steroids.

I eat 5-6 times a day. Breakfast Lunch Dinner morning tea might be mandarins or peaches with an apple around 3.30-4pm. Apples improve lung function and eaten at that time give good energy for evening workout. Then if i have a desert later in the evening that makes 6 times a day.

Fasting for weight loss is bullshit it can slow your metabolism down as your body tries to hang onto nutrients there are some studies showing it helps stimulate immune system which might be the only benefit.

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Reply #46 - Sep 25th, 2021 at 4:06pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 8:32pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 7:41pm:
Allegedly, margarine is not all that different compared to plastic. Margarine allegedly raises estrogen levels (whether slightly or otherwise). So, guys should stick to something like butter which is more dairy oriented. I will research the issue later and get back to you on this. It has been 3 years since I last purchased margarine.


You can cut both from your diet they offer nothing of nutritional value.

One slice of bread buttered has more calories than 2 slices of unbuttered bread.

Adding butter to vegetables makes a healthy low calorie food into something much higher calories with no health benefits.

That said vegemite on toast needs butter it's the only worthwhile exception


You can go without buttered bread. But, ever since childhood, I have been using either butter or margarine to make sandwiches taste edible. No matter what kind of sandwich spread I use, butter or margarine is a must to put on the bread first. And when you consider the calorie amount you have from butter added to the sandwich, it is not going to harm you in the long run.
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Reply #47 - Sep 25th, 2021 at 10:09pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 25th, 2021 at 4:06pm:
You can go without buttered bread. But, ever since childhood, I have been using either butter or margarine to make sandwiches taste edible. No matter what kind of sandwich spread I use, butter or margarine is a must to put on the bread first. And when you consider the calorie amount you have from butter added to the sandwich, it is not going to harm you in the long run.


I stopped using butter and magarine in late teens. If you have flabs and want abs stop using it. I don't even use it for cooking for breakfast i had 2 poached eggs on toast with half an avacodo i haven't fried eggs since my teens.

It does harm you in the long run eating heaps of fat.

Nathan Pritikin was one of the first to look into healthy diets after suffering a heart attack. Back in those days doctors ordered rest for cardiac conditions with no other treatment. While his diet isn't perfect has some minor flaws it was something people were put on if they had heart disease and after heart bypass surgery.


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Autopsy of Pritikin May Renew Debate

JULY 4, 1985

After Pritikin took his own life by slicing through arteries in his arms with a razor blade, the case routinely was referred to the local coroner’s office because it was an apparent suicide. The autopsy was conducted by Dr. Jeffrey D. Hubbard, a local pathologist, before he learned Pritikin’s true identity, Hubbard said.

In a telephone interview, Hubbard said it was only by coincidence that he subjected Pritikin’s heart to an especially thorough autopsy examination--because the actual immediate cause of death was beyond question.

The account of the autopsy results being published today was written jointly by Hubbard, Dr. Stephen Inkeles, an internal medicine specialist at Pritikin’s Longevity Center in Santa Monica, and R. James Barnard, a cardiovascular disease researcher at the Pritikin program who also holds an appointment at UCLA.

What Hubbard found was a heart remarkably free of disease and coronary arteries that were completely open, without any hint of development of fatty plaques that plug up the vessels of heart disease victims and result in angina pain and often fatal heart attacks. While there were small traces of fatty tissue both in the heart muscle and in the coronary arteries, all four of the major arteries examined were totally free of any restriction--a condition virtually unheard of for a 69-year-old man living in a Western country.

The size and weight of Pritikin’s heart were well within optimal ranges, the report noted, and the muscle tissue itself was thick, well developed and uncompromised, indicating the heart’s pumping ability was essentially unrestricted.

Pritikin first developed his diet in the late 1950s and insisted for the rest of his life that his nutritional regimen (the Spartan diet emphasizes almost complete avoidance of saturated fats and other substances that contain cholesterol) could not only prevent the development of coronary artery disease but reverse it. The contention was one of the most significant of the controversies surrounding Pritikin’s program.

Pritikin based the argument on the fact that he, himself, had been diagnosed as having heart disease and high blood fat levels in about 1955. He insisted that the diagnosis then established with virtual certainty that his own coronary arteries were blocked when he began his dietary system and that the absence of such plaques on his death would prove the validity of his arguments.

The cholesterol level in Pritikin’s blood dropped from 280 milligrams in 1958--a reading at the high end of what American physicians say is the normal range but which other doctors say is far too high--to 94 milligrams in November, 1984. Doctors questioned by The Times said seeing a patient with cholesterol below 110 would be almost unprecedented in any American physician’s practice.

Nevertheless, said Inkeles, “the autopsy findings are highly suggestive that regression took place, even though we can’t make a definitive statement. I think the message is that if you want to place a bet on minimizing atherosclerosis, the bet would have to be placed on the kind of diet Nathan Pritikin espoused and lived by the remainder of his adult life.”

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1985-07-04-vw-9280-story.html

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Reply #48 - Sep 25th, 2021 at 10:52pm
 
Consuming fat is less damaging to the body than sugar. If you do not use up the energy produced by sugar, it turns to fat because of the insulin spike. Fat does not raise insulin to spike nearly as high.
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Reply #49 - Sep 26th, 2021 at 1:26pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 25th, 2021 at 10:52pm:
Consuming fat is less damaging to the body than sugar. If you do not use up the energy produced by sugar, it turns to fat because of the insulin spike. Fat does not raise insulin to spike nearly as high.




If only the only thing affecting the body was insulin.
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Reply #50 - May 30th, 2024 at 5:34pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Sep 23rd, 2021 at 2:06pm:
I can't believe it's not butter...




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