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Reply #45 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 10:29am

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 9^th, 2021 at 10:07am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 8^th, 2021 at 9:50pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Sep 8^th, 2021 at 8:15pm:

Indeed.

Let the anti-vaxxers die if that's what they want.

They're dangerous.

I have zero sympathy for them.

I'm in favour of voluntary euthanasia.

Let them die doing what they love - ignoring science.

Thoughts & prayers.

Correction: anti-big-pharma and their untested poisons

Lol

The horse dewormer you anti-vaxxers take is made by big-pharma, you silly little fool.

They're the fourth largest pharmaceutical company on the planet, and this is what they say about the drug (their drug) you think will save your life:

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety.

It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

*No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;

*No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;

*A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

Yeah good one

Have a listen to this Professor of Immunology from Westmead Hospital in Sydney interviewed by Ray Hadley.

And before anyone goes off with the "I don't listen to shock jocks"(quote Hadley) ..... don't listen to Hadley ..... listen to the Profesor.

There is no reason everyone who is not an anti-vaxxer should not be vaccinated against Covid with either the Pfizer or Astra Zeneca.

It goes for 20mins & is very detailed by the Professor.

https://www.2gb.com/dont-listen-to-the-shock-jock-immunologists-remarkable-vacci...

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Reply #46 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 10:54am

This so called horse paste is some pretty cool stuff.

It won its discoverer and developers, William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

It's also shown to have efficacy against several other viruses and is considered safe and well-tolerated, even at high doses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

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Reply #47 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 11:01am

AiA wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 12:32am:

Many of these religious anti-vaxxers also oppose useful substances such as cannabis oil, psilocybin mushroom, LSD, and MDMA - all proven to be useful therapies, but held back from the public for decades because of conservative opposition.

Ahem

I found the leftest leaning news source for this, note it was written when Vox was firmly on team Bernie. Has Biden's view evolved, maybe, probably, but you did say decades.

Jul 31, 2019

Biden was at the center of building federal policies that escalated the war on drugs and mass incarceration.

Consider one moment in Biden’s career: In 1989, at the height of punitive anti-drug and mass incarceration politics, Biden, then a senator, went on national television to criticize a plan from President George H.W. Bush to escalate the war on drugs. The plan, Biden said, didn’t go far enough.

“Quite frankly, the president’s plan is not tough enough, bold enough, or imaginative enough to meet the crisis at hand,” he said. He called not just for harsher punishments for drug dealers but to “hold every drug user accountable.” Bush’s plan, Biden added, “doesn’t include enough police officers to catch the violent thugs, not enough prosecutors to convict them, not enough judges to sentence them, and not enough prison cells to put them away for a long time” — a direct call for more incarceration.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/25/18282870/joe-biden-criminal-ju...

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Reply #48 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 11:05am

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 10:54am:

This so called horse paste is some pretty cool stuff.

It won its discoverer and developers, William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

It's also shown to have efficacy against several other viruses and is considered safe and well-tolerated, even at high doses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

They've shown it works against DNA viruses. Coronavirus is not a DNA virus.

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Reply #49 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 11:15am

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 11:05am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 10:54am:

This so called horse paste is some pretty cool stuff.

It won its discoverer and developers, William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

It's also shown to have efficacy against several other viruses and is considered safe and well-tolerated, even at high doses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

They've shown it works against DNA viruses. Coronavirus is not a DNA virus.

So what's this then?

https://www.monash.edu/discovery-institute/news-and-events/news/2020-articles/La...

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Reply #50 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:38pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 11:15am:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 11:05am:

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 10:54am:

This so called horse paste is some pretty cool stuff.

It won its discoverer and developers, William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine.

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

It's also shown to have efficacy against several other viruses and is considered safe and well-tolerated, even at high doses.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

They've shown it works against DNA viruses. Coronavirus is not a DNA virus.

So what's this then?

https://www.monash.edu/discovery-institute/news-and-events/news/2020-articles/La...

That at extremely high doses it does it. We already knew that Did you read down the page

Whilst shown to be effective in the lab environment, Ivermectin cannot be used in humans for COVID-19 until further testing and clinical trials have been completed to establish the effectiveness of the drug at levels safe for human dosing.

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Let them die Reply #51 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:39pm I'm also not sure how many times it needs to be stated, that just because something works in vitro doesn't necessarily mean it works in vivo.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20624 Gordon Gender:	Re: Let them die Reply #52 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:45pm John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:39pm: I'm also not sure how many times it needs to be stated, that just because something works in vitro doesn't necessarily mean it works in vivo. You've just moved the goalposts from saying it only works on DNA viruses.
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Reply #53 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:46pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:39pm:

I'm also not sure how many times it needs to be stated, that just because something works in vitro doesn't necessarily mean it works in vivo.

You've just moved the goalposts from saying it only works on DNA viruses.

My bad, can I say working in vivo then?

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Reply #54 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:58pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:39pm:

I'm also not sure how many times it needs to be stated, that just because something works in vitro doesn't necessarily mean it works in vivo.

You've just moved the goalposts from saying it only works on DNA viruses.

My bad, can I say working in vivo then?

Sure, so long as you've put the goal posts back where belong.

Apparently ivermectin can be tolerated at high doses and all the studies which looked at the treatment for zika, dengue and even influenza referenced high doses being proposed.

Q: Given that Ivermectin seems like such an interesting drug, and in the absence of good testing yet to be done or reported on, do you think the left wings medias characterisation and calling it hoesedeworming paste is fair?

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Reply #55 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 2:24pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:58pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:45pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:39pm:

I'm also not sure how many times it needs to be stated, that just because something works in vitro doesn't necessarily mean it works in vivo.

You've just moved the goalposts from saying it only works on DNA viruses.

My bad, can I say working in vivo then?

Sure, so long as you've put the goal posts back where belong.

Apparently ivermectin can be tolerated at high doses and all the studies which looked at the treatment for zika, dengue and even influenza referenced high doses being proposed.

Q: Given that Ivermectin seems like such an interesting drug, and in the absence of good testing yet to be done or reported on, do you think the left wings medias characterisation and calling it hoesedeworming paste is fair?

In the same way people call bread mold by this silly nick name, penicillin.

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Reply #56 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 2:31pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:58pm:

Q: Given that Ivermectin seems like such an interesting drug, and in the absence of good testing yet to be done or reported on, do you think the left wings medias characterisation and calling it hoesedeworming paste is fair?

I think the problem is related to your first point. Its the silliness of taking a drug like this given that there is absence of good testing. Its also further in that generally those who are pushing the ivermectin route are ignoring the vaccine route.

E.g. the perfect scenario would be one in which everyone gets vaccinated and then any residual covid infections are treated with drugs (such as ivermectin if it worked).

Thats not what is happening in the US for instance. People who mistrust the vaccine because it isn't proven (even though it is) are taking a drug that they say has been shown to be safe and effective (even though it hasn't)

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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Let them die Reply #57 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 2:39pm I've also heard a few right wingers talk about it being horseworming past. But mostly to portray themselves as victims versus the media.
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Captain Caveman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6211 Gender:	Re: Let them die Reply #58 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 12:53pm Let the ones who created the "corona virus" die. Hang them in the street along side the MSM and all those pushing the agenda. Follow the money. https://odysee.com/@OVALmediaEN:0/David-Martin:f
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Reply #59 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 1:25pm

Gordon wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 1:58pm:

Q: Given that Ivermectin seems like such an interesting drug, and in the absence of good testing yet to be done or reported on, do you think the left wings medias characterisation and calling it hoesedeworming paste is fair?

KENILWORTH, N.J., Feb. 4, 2021 – Merck (NYSE: MRK), known as MSD outside the United States and Canada, today affirmed its position regarding use of ivermectin during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety.

It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:

- No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;

- No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;

- A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.

We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.

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