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Reply #75 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:39pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:30pm:

Frank, you do not see many obese 65 to 74-year-old men in Australia. Even my father lost a lot of weight in his 60s. But I doubt that he will be around for any longer than 10 years from now.

Serious?

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/australias-health/overweight-and-obesity

41% of adults aged 65-74 are obese. Compared 16% of 18-24

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Sleep Apnea is a Nutritional Deficency Reply #76 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:47pm I was going to put my comments into context. But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range, I can accept that 41% of Australian men aged between 65 and 74 would be obese.
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John Dillermand Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1191 Gender:	Re: Sleep Apnea is a Nutritional Deficency Reply #77 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:55pm UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:47pm: But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range, Where do you come up with this? Thats not strictly correct either.
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Reply #78 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:14pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:47pm:

But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range,

Where do you come up with this? Thats not strictly correct either.

For my height, I only need to be 79kg to be considered overweight. And then I have to be 94kg to be the bottom end of obese. And even if I maintain a strong healthy muscle mass at 94kg, I am still going to be considered obese.

A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese. Their muscle density would be likely lower than someone my age.

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Reply #79 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:15pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:14pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:55pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:47pm:

But I suppose that being 12kg above a healthy weight range is usually what constitutes the start of the obese range,

Where do you come up with this? Thats not strictly correct either.

For my height, I only need to be 79kg to be considered overweight. And then I have to be 94kg to be the bottom end of obese. And even if I maintain a strong healthy muscle mass at 94kg, I am still going to be considered obese.

A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese. Their muscle density would be likely lower than someone my age.

So never heard of the BMI?

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Sleep Apnea is a Nutritional Deficency Reply #80 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:49pm John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:15pm: So never heard of the BMI? I am basing my calculations off BMI scales.
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Reply #81 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:50pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:49pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

So never heard of the BMI?

I am basing my calculations off BMI scales.

And you do realise thats based on your height. So when you state "A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese." How do you know? What height are they?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Sleep Apnea is a Nutritional Deficency Reply #82 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:54pm Gordon wrote on Sep 13^th, 2021 at 5:37pm: Every last person I've met who've mentioned they have sleep apnea look like walking bags of schit, obese and over consume alcohol. Another lifestyle illness. Yeah....same here 😳 They've all been very overweight. It's just terrible 🥺😔
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Reply #83 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:41pm

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:49pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

So never heard of the BMI?

I am basing my calculations off BMI scales.

And you do realise thats based on your height. So when you state "A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese." How do you know? What height are they?

Specifically focussing on the males aged between 65 and 74, we would not know whether being 12kg over a healthy weight range would put someone in an obese category. And I did mention that I had to be 79kg to be considered overweight for my height. And I would have to add 15kg to that figure to be considered obese.

Meanwhile, most guys aged between 65 and 74 years of age are usually between 170 to 180cm tall. Someone 170cm tall and weighing 12kg above their healthy weight range would just creep under the obese level. Same again for someone 180cm tall and 92kg. So, all you are doing is criticising my guesswork based on being off by a couple of kilograms.

Are you some boxing official to which pedantic measures of weight is strictly adhered? You probably need more sleep. Have some apple cider vinegar before bedtime.

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Reply #84 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:42pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 2:27pm:

rhino wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 8:48am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 16^th, 2021 at 10:40pm:

Bananas are on the high carbohydrates list. But they are a nutritious and beneficial food. And I did not claim to know everything. But, I do know now that you think anything high carb is automatically bad.

You are an idiot. You have diabetes. Its not me that thinks your carbs are bad, its your diabetes. I have zero sympathy, you will die early, probably after getting a couple of limbs chopped off first, thats what normally happens. I have zero sympathy because you negate and denigrate any real information and advice you are given.

If you are trying to encourage me to cash in my free visit to the diabetes nutritionist, it is working. But I bet he/she will tell me much about bananas that many others have said: "Bananas are a safe and nutritious fruit for people with diabetes to eat in moderation as part of a balanced, individualized diet plan. A person with diabetes should include fresh, plant food options in the diet, such as fruits and vegetables. Bananas provide plenty of nutrition without adding many calories."

And as for my diabetes, if it was as bad as you think, I would have a lot more trouble with my digestion and my ability to lose weight. Yesterday's relative fasting during the afternoon was only broken by a steak dinner. And yet here I am after 7 hours sleep and feeling thinner than I was at the start of the day yesterday.

I bet by age 80, my limbs will be staying with me intact and very functional. Whereas you will probably have a smoking-related heart attack by age 70.

You won t live to 80, diabetics dont. As far as smoking, you really think I exercise for 2 hours every day and light up a fag afterwards? You idiot.

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Reply #85 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:43pm

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:41pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:50pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:49pm:

John Dillermand wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 3:15pm:

So never heard of the BMI?

I am basing my calculations off BMI scales.

And you do realise thats based on your height. So when you state "A retired person 12kg overweight is going to be considered obese." How do you know? What height are they?

Specifically focussing on the males aged between 65 and 74, we would not know whether being 12kg over a healthy weight range would put someone in an obese category. And I did mention that I had to be 79kg to be considered overweight for my height. And I would have to add 15kg to that figure to be considered obese.

Meanwhile, most guys aged between 65 and 74 years of age are usually between 170 to 180cm tall. Someone 170cm tall and weighing 12kg above their healthy weight range would just creep under the obese level. Same again for someone 180cm tall and 92kg. So, all you are doing is criticising my guesswork based on being off by a couple of kilograms.

Are you some boxing official to which pedantic measures of weight is strictly adhered? You probably need more sleep. Have some apple cider vinegar before bedtime.

Lol, you idiot.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Sleep Apnea is a Nutritional Deficency Reply #86 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:45pm You just seem irritable to the point where you have some nicotine addiction. Or a recent ex-smoker. And I doubt that you do 2 hours of physical exercise everyday. That is, outside of a physically demanding job.
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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Sleep Apnea is a Nutritional Deficency Reply #87 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:48pm You doubt everything and learn nothing, thats your M.O. Thats why you are an idiot. Not sure where you are getting irritable from, Im calling it how I see it.
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Reply #88 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:58pm

rhino wrote on Sep 17^th, 2021 at 4:48pm:

You doubt everything and learn nothing, thats your M.O. Thats why you are an idiot. Not sure where you are getting irritable from, Im calling it how I see it.

Frank wrote about how 70 percent of elderly men in Australia are *obese*. I claimed that there are not too many obese people over the age of 65. And when you see that health problems for obese people can skyrocket after the age of 30, I cannot imagine a 90kg 65-year-old living much beyond that age. Not idiotic at all.

How close do you live near elderly people that 70% of people their age group are obese?

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25019 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Sleep Apnea is a Nutritional Deficency Reply #89 - Sep 17^th, 2021 at 5:02pm What is your story, anyway? You think I won't be able to live until I am 80 and will have limbs chopped off. But, you can claim that obese 65-year-olds will outlive me?
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