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Reply #210 - Jun 17th, 2022 at 6:16pm
 
freediver wrote on Jun 17th, 2022 at 6:11pm:
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US poverty is evidence of greater systemic economic dysfunction BECAUSE  of the above two facts.


Can you explain why, or are you just mindlessly parroting from a CCP pamphlet?


Do you think this is a Chinese Forum?


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Reply #211 - Jun 17th, 2022 at 7:21pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 17th, 2022 at 6:15pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
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Population size does not translate into manipulating the facts.


The facts are these.

1. US per capita GDP  is 5 times China's (down from 50 times, four  decades ago).

2. US inequality is greater than  inequality in China.

3.  US poverty is evidence of greater systemic economic dysfunction BECAUSE  of the above two facts.

Entrenched and growing homelessness in the US (and Oz) is not "manipulating the facts".



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Here's the facts


Not a promising start to the debate....ignoring one set of facts, (which you will need to dispose of - or be revealed as an ideological  fraud),  to present another set of "facts", but let' read on:

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The US submits to a free media, investigative journalism and freedom of information.


When it suits. Snowden had to seek refuge in Russia, and Assange has been pursued and incarcerated for a decade for revealing US war crimes.

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In China under the CCP you can be arrested for attempting any of those; even arrested for filming a wedding; anything that exposes the CCP for what it really is - a mob of gangster families, particularly those who can trace their respective family's rise to association with Mao.


The war crimes of the US are far more devastating. 

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Alcoholism is rampant in China under the CCP. Even among the CCP, the capacity to drink yourself blind is an asset to climbing the CCP gangster ladder.


I already showed China is well down on the list of countries affected by alcoholism. 

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In China under the CCP, bashing women is as common as 2-minute noodles.


And Oz is a paradigm of domestic serenity...but hey don't you know, "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones' ...you have already proved incapable of 'looking to the thorn in your own eye..". 

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Inequality is entrenched in China under the CCP; just ask a minority or a migrant worker.


But inequality is even worse in the "land of the free"  US (google it), with egregious homelessness being a shocking manifestation, in a wealthy country.

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Poverty is widespread throughout China under the CCP.China under the CCP is a dump.


Addressed above.


So...ready to debate the facts:

1. US per capita GDP  is 5 times China's (down from 50 times, four  decades ago).

2. US inequality is greater than  inequality in China.

3.  US poverty is evidence of greater systemic economic dysfunction BECAUSE  of the above two facts.

or be exposed as an ideological fraud lacking any insight at all...

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Reply #212 - Jun 17th, 2022 at 7:28pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17th, 2022 at 7:21pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 17th, 2022 at 6:15pm:
thegreatdivide wrote on Jun 17th, 2022 at 5:45pm:
[quote author=MeisterEckhart link=1633234581/202#202 date=1655365821]
Population size does not translate into manipulating the facts.


The facts are these.

1. US per capita GDP  is 5 times China's (down from 50 times, four  decades ago).

2. US inequality is greater than  inequality in China.

3.  US poverty is evidence of greater systemic economic dysfunction BECAUSE  of the above two facts.

Entrenched and growing homelessness in the US (and Oz) is not "manipulating the facts".



Quote:
Here's the facts


Not a promising start to the debate....ignoring one set of facts, (which you will need to dispose of - or be revealed as an ideological  fraud),  to present another set of "facts", but let' read on:

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The US submits to a free media, investigative journalism and freedom of information.


When it suits. Snowden had to seek refuge in Russia, and Assange has been pursued and incarcerated for a decade for revealing US war crimes.

Quote:
In China under the CCP you can be arrested for attempting any of those; even arrested for filming a wedding; anything that exposes the CCP for what it really is - a mob of gangster families, particularly those who can trace their respective family's rise to association with Mao.


The war crimes of the US are far more devastating. 

Quote:
Alcoholism is rampant in China under the CCP. Even among the CCP, the capacity to drink yourself blind is an asset to climbing the CCP gangster ladder.


I already showed China is well down on the list of countries affected by alcoholism. 

Quote:
In China under the CCP, bashing women is as common as 2-minute noodles.


And Oz is a paradigm of domestic serenity...but hey don't you know, "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones' ...you have already proved incapable of 'looking to the thorn in your own eye..". 

Quote:
Inequality is entrenched in China under the CCP; just ask a minority or a migrant worker.


But inequality is even worse in the "land of the free"  US (google it), with egregious homelessness being a shocking manifestation, in a wealthy country.

Quote:
Poverty is widespread throughout China under the CCP.China under the CCP is a dump.


Addressed above.


So...ready to debate the facts:

1. US per capita GDP  is 5 times China's (down from 50 times, four  decades ago).

2. US inequality is greater than  inequality in China.

3.  US poverty is evidence of greater systemic economic dysfunction BECAUSE  of the above two facts.

or be exposed as an ideological fraud lacking any insight at all...


You will have to face the fact that China is a dump run by a mob of gangsters.

It's clear you have not experienced or spoken freely to anyone who's ever lived in China.

Poverty, violence, begging, alcoholism, discrimination is widespread in China.

Now you've seen some of the videos (and there's plenty more).

China is a dump run by a mob of gangsters.
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Reply #213 - Jun 18th, 2022 at 10:00pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Jun 17th, 2022 at 7:28pm:
It's clear you have not experienced or spoken freely to anyone who's ever lived in China.


And it's clear you are a delusional "freedom" ideologue,  satisfied with entrenched poverty in the neoliberal democracies (even Sweden is now  descending into gun violence) , while claiming  the CCP is causing poverty in China - absurd - China did well over the last 4 decades until the paranoid US turned China's rise into a "threat".   

Consequently, with no insight, you demand 'freedom' over and above  international law outlawing war. Your blind 'freedom' psychosis makes you dangerous - and complicit in the present murder in Ukraine.
Why?


Because Man cannot be trusted with "freedom', his instinctive self-interest will always result in conflict and war, hence the need for international law to outlaw war. 

Go back to sleep while the slaughter continues in Ukraine, ...and Yemen and Syria and Palestine



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Reply #214 - Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:35pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:34pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:32pm:
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 7:47am:
whiteknight wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 6:26am:
Australia’s top CEOs earn 132 times average wage   Sad
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Want to earn as much as Australia’s highest-paid CEOs? Just buckle down and work hard for another 2332 years.
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But socialism is terrible and starves people.  AHHAHAHAAAAA!!!!!!


Yes. 50 million Chinese last century. And they couldn't even get them to starve equally.


We still telling these lies? Why?


What lie?

You agreed with me that socialism is terrible and starves the people. Even the Chinese Communist Party has embraced capitalism.
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Reply #215 - Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:37pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:35pm:
What lie?

You agreed with me that socialism is terrible and starves the people. Even the Chinese Communist Party has embraced capitalism.


YOU AGREED!!! The right always lie

Communism with Chinese chararistics always used Capitalism to destroy it
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Reply #216 - Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:38pm
 
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Communism with Chinese chararistics always used Capitalism to destroy it


Would you mind translating this into English please?
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Reply #217 - Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:46pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:37pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:35pm:
What lie?

You agreed with me that socialism is terrible and starves the people. Even the Chinese Communist Party has embraced capitalism.


YOU AGREED!!! The right always lie

Communism with Chinese chararistics always used Capitalism to destroy it


Yes I fear that China will not achieve "a prosperous socialist society in all respects" by 2049 (the anniversary of the CCP government) unless it takes more judicious control of the market economy.

China of course, with its vast productive capacity, would be  unstoppable if the PBofC  understood MMT, and hence avoided accumulation of government debt owed to private financiers.
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Reply #218 - Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:49pm
 
freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:38pm:
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Communism with Chinese chararistics always used Capitalism to destroy it


Would you mind translating this into English please?


If you knew a damn think about the CCP, you'd get what I said
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Reply #219 - Jul 14th, 2022 at 6:23pm
 
FutureTheLeftWant wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:49pm:
freediver wrote on Jul 14th, 2022 at 5:38pm:
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Communism with Chinese chararistics always used Capitalism to destroy it


Would you mind translating this into English please?


If you knew a damn think about the CCP, you'd get what I said


Half the line is a popular, though vacuous,  CCP propaganda phrase. But that doesn't really help. Try reading what it actually says, and comparing that with what you meant to say.
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Reply #220 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:49am
 
random wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 8:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 5:42pm:
Is the Great Chinese Famine a truth that people deserve to know about?


No.


Why not?
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Reply #221 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:26am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:49am:
random wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 8:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 5:42pm:
Is the Great Chinese Famine a truth that people deserve to know about?


No.


Why not?


Truth always deserves to be known; but past events may have little relevence to present problems.

Most elderly Chinese  remember the experience of absolute poverty, they are amazed by the nation's progress over a mere 4 decades.

Of course, recently Xi has discovered the evil side-effects of neoliberlism, and is taking the necessary steps to eliminate those evils, as the paranoid US - intent on maintaining global hegemony - is attempting to decouple from China's vast supply chains in the 'factory of the world'. 
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Reply #222 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:33am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:26am:
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:49am:
random wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 8:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 5:42pm:
Is the Great Chinese Famine a truth that people deserve to know about?


No.


Why not?


Truth always deserves to be known; but past events may have little relevence to present problems.

Most elderly Chinese  remember the experience of absolute poverty, they are amazed by the nation's progress over a mere 4 decades.

Of course, recently Xi has discovered the evil side-effects of neoliberlism, and is taking the necessary steps to eliminate those evils, as the paranoid US - intent on maintaining global hegemony - is attempting to decouple from China's vast supply chains in the 'factory of the world'. 

Xi is turning China back to Maoism - not least by his work towards having himself installed as a paramount leader - so, China's Maoist recent past will again become an indicator of its future.
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Reply #223 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:50am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:26am:
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:49am:
random wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 8:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 5:42pm:
Is the Great Chinese Famine a truth that people deserve to know about?


No.


Why not?


Truth always deserves to be known; but past events may have little relevence to present problems.

Most elderly Chinese  remember the experience of absolute poverty, they are amazed by the nation's progress over a mere 4 decades.

Of course, recently Xi has discovered the evil side-effects of neoliberlism, and is taking the necessary steps to eliminate those evils, as the paranoid US - intent on maintaining global hegemony - is attempting to decouple from China's vast supply chains in the 'factory of the world'. 


Are you contradicting yourself?
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Reply #224 - Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:58am
 
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:50am:
thegreatdivide wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 10:26am:
freediver wrote on Sep 11th, 2022 at 9:49am:
random wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 8:11pm:
freediver wrote on Sep 9th, 2022 at 5:42pm:
Is the Great Chinese Famine a truth that people deserve to know about?


No.


Why not?


Truth always deserves to be known; but past events may have little relevence to present problems.

Most elderly Chinese  remember the experience of absolute poverty, they are amazed by the nation's progress over a mere 4 decades.

Of course, recently Xi has discovered the evil side-effects of neoliberlism, and is taking the necessary steps to eliminate those evils, as the paranoid US - intent on maintaining global hegemony - is attempting to decouple from China's vast supply chains in the 'factory of the world'. 


Are you contradicting yourself?


Frauddiver, you know the drill: show us how/where I'm contradicting myself. 
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