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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #180 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 1:04am
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 31st, 2022 at 11:18pm:
And the most important question of all still goes unanswered:

Why do people like Sir Nail and Reggie seem to be so afraid of having their Covid vaccinations?

Is it just the Covid vaccinations or are they afraid of all vaccinations?

Some of us would really like to know.


I think that what they're saying is, that at a 98%+ survival rate(vaccinated or not), having a vaccine is just not necessary for them. I think that they are also  saying, that being vaccinated is just an unnecessary risk for adverse events. And finally, I think they're saying, that their immune system does not need help from lab-assembled, immune-created designer antibodies.

I also seriously doubt that they are just vaccine-phobic.
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Reply #181 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 4:56am
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 31st, 2022 at 11:18pm:
And the most important question of all still goes unanswered:

Why do people like Sir Nail and Reggie seem to be so afraid of having their Covid vaccinations?

Is it just the Covid vaccinations or are they afraid of all vaccinations?

Some of us would really like to know.


why
why do you want to know?
they arent posing any risk to you.


if i was to say
why are some obese people continuing to eat mcdonalds.
i really want to know.
i want the government to act to protect me from obese people eating maccas because , in my opinion, they are more likely to end up in hospital (fact) and they might take a bed off me that i need if i get bitten by a snake (possible).


people would tell me to "mind my own business and f off"

and thats the advice for the people like carl when they demand to know about other peoples personal decisions.

i think being obese is way more risky then being unvaxxed for covid.
but its not about me
and its not about you carl.

where your n95 and ppe in your basement forever.
no one will mind
live an let live
or cringe and let cringe.

this is a democracy
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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #182 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 5:50am
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 31st, 2022 at 11:18pm:
And the most important question of all still goes unanswered:

Why do people like Sir Nail and Reggie seem to be so afraid of having their Covid vaccinations...


I think both Sir Lastnail and Reggie are simply unable to comprehend
the science and the qualified medical advice that proves COVID vaccines
have saved millions of lives globally.

Their negative arguments—such as they are!—amount to nothing more
than third party hearsay, simply parroting the dozens of conspiracy sites
out there in cyberspace.

It's also noticeable that neither offers any reputable, relevant input, other
than repeated puerile insults directed at those who've done their due
diligence.  Reggie recently posted a couple of walls of text he erroneously
believed supported his anti-vaxxer position, but without being able to
correctly interpret the data therein.

And looking back at the amount of vitriol directed at me by Reggie makes
me wonder why he's so aggravated by the perfectly reasonable vaccination
decisions made by others who accept the science. 

After all, we—all of us—have the right to make our own decisions about our
own health and/or what we put into our bodies.  I don't really care if Reggie
or Sir Lastnail reject the COVID vaccines; ultimately that's their choice.  But
for either to deny my choice cannot be considered acceptable.

I also note that several times Reggie has expressed the view that I'm going
to die, or that he hopes I die because of my vaccine status.  Apart from being
offensive, this sounds to me like the mouthings of a petulant little kid, denied
a lolly at the checkout counter.

I can't even guess why Sir Lastnail and Reggie are obviously so afraid of
getting vaccinated.  Primarily I think its an ignorance of accredited science,
or an unfounded belief in conspiracy theories.  As I've said before, it could
also be an inherent fear of needles which has resulted from some childhood
trauma.

It's also of interest that neither has been confident enough to debate my previously
posted infographic proving unequivocally that COVID vaccines work as claimed:

...

And I'm betting in advance that Reggie will simply dismiss it, and instead direct
yet another flood of childish insults towards me as some sort of response.

            Roll Eyes




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Reply #183 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 6:17am
 
ShellShilo wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 1:04am:
Carl D wrote on Oct 31st, 2022 at 11:18pm:
And the most important question of all still goes unanswered:

Why do people like Sir Nail and Reggie seem to be so afraid of having their Covid vaccinations?

Is it just the Covid vaccinations or are they afraid of all vaccinations?

Some of us would really like to know.


I think that what they're saying is, that at a 98%+ survival rate(vaccinated or not), having a vaccine is just not necessary for them. I think that they are also  saying, that being vaccinated is just an unnecessary risk for adverse events. And finally, I think they're saying, that their immune system does not need help from lab-assembled, immune-created designer antibodies.

I also seriously doubt that they are just vaccine-phobic.


I tend to agree with your assessment Shell.  I guess my response would be
that it's perfectly okay for them to hold those personal views of the pandemic,
but what I DO object to is their vehement, aggressive attacks on people who've
also made a personal choice to accept what the scientists say, and be vaccinated.

It's impossible, without knowing their medical history, to say one way or the
other if they're vaccine-phobic.  Although it's a probability I'm leaning toward.
Unlike you—as an antivaxxer—they've not presented any substantial, personally
researched, peer-reviewed data supporting their stance.  They've just resorted
to insulting those of us who've made the choice to be vaccinated.  Which makes
for a pretty feeble argument.

Ad hominem attacks only serve to weaken the
validity of the arguments of those using them.


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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #184 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 8:27am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 4th, 2021 at 12:34pm:
We have many in this forum who believe we should discriminate against unvaccinated people









The conspiracy theorist, rat bag element is a mere 5% of people in Australia.


Personal views on the proven value of ALL vaccines aside, there is no denying the anti-vaxx lobby weren't given warning of this outcome.

As a responsible, vaccinated and masked person - I have every right to expect I won't be thrown into a giant, active  COVID19 petri dish.


It's only sad now - with COVID19 still quite rampant in the community -
that it's no longer a health issue
,
but one of politics
. from BOTH parties



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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #185 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 8:46am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 4:56am:
why
why do you want to know?
they arent posing any risk to you.



No, they're not.

But, I'm curious as to the reason why they're always so abusive to anyone who doesn't agree with them. I find them rather amusing which is really the only reason I engage with them.

AusGeoff wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 5:50am:
It's also noticeable that neither offers any reputable, relevant input, other
than repeated puerile insults directed at those who've done their due
diligence.  Reggie recently posted a couple of walls of text he erroneously
believed supported his anti-vaxxer position, but without being able to
correctly interpret the data therein.

And looking back at the amount of vitriol directed at me by Reggie makes
me wonder why he's so aggravated by the perfectly reasonable vaccination
decisions made by others who accept the science. 



I sometimes wonder if Reggie is another 'reincarnation' of this charming fellow from last year:

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1625617123/26#26

Interesting that he turned up right in the middle of a couple of Sir Nail's posts.

(I had 8 weeks of 5 days a week radiation treatment for prostate cancer 2 years ago and also had half of my thyroid removed in May last year).

I'm also leaning towards all three of them being the same person with Lord Sensible (lol) being what's referred to as a Burner Account same as I'm now strongly suspecting Reggie is also one.

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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #186 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:03am
 
Carl D wrote on Oct 31st, 2022 at 11:18pm:
And the most important question of all still goes unanswered:

Why do people like Sir Nail and Reggie seem to be so afraid of having their Covid vaccinations?

Is it just the Covid vaccinations or are they afraid of all vaccinations?

Some of us would really like to know.


Because we are not retarded like you are wanting to inject garbage into our bodies that doesn't do anything useful.
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #187 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:07am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:03am:
Because we are not retarded like you are wanting to inject garbage into our bodies that doesn't do anything useful.


Sir Nail and Reggie...
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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #188 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:15am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 8:27am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 4th, 2021 at 12:34pm:
We have many in this forum who believe we should discriminate against unvaccinated people









The conspiracy theorist, rat bag element is a mere 5% of people in Australia.


Personal views on the proven value of ALL vaccines aside, there is no denying the anti-vaxx lobby weren't given warning of this outcome.

As a responsible, vaccinated and masked person - I have every right to expect I won't be thrown into a giant, active  COVID19 petri dish.


It's only sad now - with COVID19 still quite rampant in the community -
that it's no longer a health issue
,
but one of politics
. from BOTH parties





Yes it is so rampant the MSM doesn't mention it at all now. Cheesy LOL
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #189 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:18am
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 8:46am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 4:56am:
why
why do you want to know?
they aren't posing any risk to you.


No, they're not.

But, I'm curious as to the reason why they're always so abusive to anyone who doesn't agree with them. I find them rather amusing which is really the only reason I engage with them.

Well, I've noticed, time and time again that all the anti-vaxxers here, with the
one exception of ShellShilo, seem only to respond to anyone who opposes their
points of view with hostility, crude insults, puerile ad hominems, obscenities,
and usually incoherent drivel.

The anti-vaxxer brigade seem unable to mount any reasonable arguments that
support their position with accredited data, and any data they do cite is often
deliberately misinterpreted by them in a feeble attempt to support their claims.
And yes... I agree about the amusement factor. 

It's funny to see them struggling with clinical reports and vaccine data that's
apparently way above their education levels.  Thankfully, and understandably,
the anti-vaxxers amount to only a tiny proportion of the population, and as new
and more virulent strains of the virus appear, they'll become an even smaller
proportion.     Ouch!  Did I just say that?


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Reply #190 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:25am
 
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:15am:
Yes it is so rampant the MSM doesn't mention it all now. Cheesy LOL


Don't know how many times I need to keep repeating myself here but the only reason why Covid isn't mentioned (or is hardly mentioned) in the media now is because we're all supposed to believe the pandemic is over (except it isn't) and everyone needs to go back to work and spend, spend, spend when they're not working.

Saint Anthony of Public Housing and Big Business don't care if you die, end up suffering long Covid, have heart attacks or "brain fog" (a.k.a "brain damage") and many other medical issues as a result of being infected (several times already in many cases) as long as the economy recovers in our "post Covid" (but it isn't) country.
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Reply #191 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:30am
 
AusGeoff wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:18am:
Carl D wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 8:46am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 4:56am:
why
why do you want to know?
they aren't posing any risk to you.


No, they're not.

But, I'm curious as to the reason why they're always so abusive to anyone who doesn't agree with them. I find them rather amusing which is really the only reason I engage with them.

Well, I've noticed, time and time again that all the anti-vaxxers here, with the
one exception of ShellShilo, seem only to respond to anyone who opposes their
points of view with hostility, crude insults, puerile ad hominems, obscenities,
and usually incoherent drivel.

The anti-vaxxer brigade seem unable to mount any reasonable arguments that
support their position with accredited data, and any data they do cite is often
deliberately misinterpreted by them in a feeble attempt to support their claims.
And yes... I agree about the amusement factor. 

It's funny to see them struggling with clinical reports and vaccine data that's
apparently way above their education levels.  Thankfully, and understandably,
the anti-vaxxers amount to only a tiny proportion of the population, and as new
and more virulent strains of the virus appear, they'll become an even smaller
proportion.     Ouch!  Did I just say that?




This sums you lot up Cheesy LOL


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Reply #192 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:35am
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:25am:
Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:15am:
Yes it is so rampant the MSM doesn't mention it all now. Cheesy LOL


Don't know how many times I need to keep repeating myself here but the only reason why Covid isn't mentioned (or is hardly mentioned) in the media now is because we're all supposed to believe the pandemic is over (except it isn't) and everyone needs to go back to work and spend, spend, spend when they're not working.

Saint Anthony of Public Housing and Big Business don't care if you die, end up suffering long Covid, have heart attacks or "brain fog" (a.k.a "brain damage") and many other medical issues as a result of being infected (several times already in many cases) as long as the economy recovers in our "post Covid" (but it isn't) country.


As opposed to getting brain damage from injecting a bit of monkey snot vaccine into you Cheesy LOL
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In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.
 
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Reply #193 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:59am
 
On a somewhat related note...

I have to wonder if some or all of these people who keep telling us the pandemic is over might one day be held accountable in a court of law by relatives of people who die from Covid from here onwards?

We keep seeing it in the newspapers and on the TV news (Channel 7 said "post COVID" just the other day).

Edit: here... https://mobile.twitter.com/7NewsPerth/status/1587043203722657795

And...

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Post Covid? Stop these lies. How dare you deceive people with utter garbage like this? Case numbers are up, new variants are here, people are dying. And too many are spending money they can't afford. You are a sickening lot, gutter journalism #CovidIsNotOver #BringBackMasks


Yes. Agreed.

I've also seen the words "post COVID" and "post pandemic" quite a few times in our West Australian paper over the past month or so.

Perhaps these journalists and their bosses might want to think about choosing their words a bit more wisely? I can see someone standing up in a court and saying something like "My grandmother/grandfather/mother/father/brother/sister died from Covid but we were all told the pandemic was over long before they caught it and died".

I'm sure many, many people are 'keeping receipts' like the one below from Melbourne's Herald Sun on October 14th.
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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #194 - Nov 1st, 2022 at 10:26am
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 1st, 2022 at 9:59am:
On a somewhat related note...

I have to wonder if some or all of these people who keep telling us the pandemic is over might one day be held accountable in a court of law by relatives of people who die from Covid from here onwards...

Good point.

Active cases in Australia two days ago = 142,915 with 1,350 new cases, and 45 serious cases.

Active cases yesterday = 144,093 with 1,178 new cases, and 47 serious cases.

Active cases today = 145,228 with 1,135 new cases, and 46 serious cases.

Globally yesterday there were 181,313 new cases, which disproves the local
media claims that the pandemic is "over" as simply blatant lies—driven by the
corporatists with vested financial interests in downplaying the seriousness.

When Australia lifted its remaining COVID restrictions last month, health
experts warned us that the pandemic wasn't over.  Now case numbers
are surging again
as new—potentially more dangerous—variants take
hold, without testing or mandatory isolation  to slow them down.

Dr Norman Swan, ABC Radio National, 31 October 2022.


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