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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #90 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 12:35pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 12:31pm:
The vaccine doesn't prevent you from getting infected carrying and spreading this virus  ...


Correct, and nobody in the world has ever said anything to the contrary.

Meanwhile:

Mounting evidence suggests COVID vaccines do reduce transmission

"... how likely are vaccinated people to actually pass the virus on, if they do get infected? Evidence is increasing that, not only do COVID-19 vaccines either stop you getting sick or substantially reduce the severity of your symptoms, they are also likely to substantially reduce the chance of transmitting the virus to others."

"In April, Public Health England reported the results of a large study of COVID-19 transmission involving more than 365,000 households with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated members.

"It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40–60%. This means that if someone became infected after being vaccinated, they were only around half as likely to pass their infection on to others compared to infected people who were not vaccinated."


Can't argue with the science.
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Reply #91 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 12:48pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:48am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:43am:
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Discrimination with unvaccinated people


Discrimination is often a good thing.

Particularly when it saves lives.

It is exactly what has happened historically with every disease outbreak.

Self-preservation in the event of a disease outbreak is instinctive.


Yeah, and the politicians are being law-of-the-jungle instinctive instead of being intelligent humans

We wouldn't have Delta here at all if they'd had 20th century brains rather than their jurassic brains that are similar to Nazi Gestapo brains
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Reply #92 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 12:53pm
 
"We will govern for all Australians, then we'll discriminate like hell against you in all aspects of your worthless lives" - Globalist Lib Lab politicians' Motto
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Reply #93 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 3:34pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 11:10am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:56am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 9:03am:
Kat wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 8:52am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
NSW is opening up again on Monday we don't have vaccine passports.






Yes, and those of us with more than a single brain-cell are already preparing for the next wave.


Vaccine passports and vaccine certificates only give ignorant people a false sense of security. There is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus why are you ignoring the science are you an ignorant science denying control freak?

When has any of the modeling even been close why do these grifters refuse to pay back jobkeeper and why do we waste money on these people?




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Vaccine passports and vaccine certificates only give ignorant people a false sense of security. There is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus


Vaccinated people spread the virus less, If close to the vaccination a lot less but it deteriorates over time.

You seem to ignore the difference in catching the virus and the likely severity if you do.

The attitude you express here would mean that the next wave is already locked in and its going to be both soon and real bad.


No difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus why are you ignoring the science on this?

The vaccine is non sterlising it doesn't prevent you from catching virus carrying and spreading it the only thing the vaccine does it train your immune system to recognise spike protein and fight virus. The vaccine is supposed to prevent serious illness when you catch virus it does nothing else.

It's high school science with throwing out old theories that have proved to be wrong and embracing new correct theory it's clear idiots like you have no idea with the basics of science and it's here for everyone to see with posts from ignorant people like you.


The vast majority of people dying in hospital with covid-19 believed what you do - once.
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Reply #94 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 3:50pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 12:48pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:48am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:43am:
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Discrimination with unvaccinated people


Discrimination is often a good thing.

Particularly when it saves lives.

It is exactly what has happened historically with every disease outbreak.

Self-preservation in the event of a disease outbreak is instinctive.


Yeah, and the politicians are being law-of-the-jungle instinctive instead of being intelligent humans

We wouldn't have Delta here at all if they'd had 20th century brains rather than their jurassic brains that are similar to Nazi Gestapo brains

No. Politicians around the world had to deal with a world health issue realising that the world was spectacularly unprepared for a new disease.

Most countries presumed it would be an influenza outbreak which most were somewhat prepared for.

Initially they were all flummoxed as to what the response should be and turned to their respective country's best medical experts to offer their best advice.

What resulted was generally haphazard and in many cases severe, but in the general right direction to control the pandemic.

In nearly all cases, when large-scale emergencies' responses fall short, are initially uncoordinated and/or not as effective as they could have been if those in charge were given a second shot after a magical 'reset', its nearly always the 'cock-up' theory that's responsible not the 'conspiracy' theory.
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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #95 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 4:49pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 3:50pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 12:48pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:48am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:43am:
Quote:
Discrimination with unvaccinated people


Discrimination is often a good thing.

Particularly when it saves lives.

It is exactly what has happened historically with every disease outbreak.

Self-preservation in the event of a disease outbreak is instinctive.


Yeah, and the politicians are being law-of-the-jungle instinctive instead of being intelligent humans

We wouldn't have Delta here at all if they'd had 20th century brains rather than their jurassic brains that are similar to Nazi Gestapo brains

No. Politicians around the world had to deal with a world health issue realising that the world was spectacularly unprepared for a new disease.

Most countries presumed it would be an influenza outbreak which most were somewhat prepared for.

Initially they were all flummoxed as to what the response should be and turned to their respective country's best medical experts to offer their best advice.

What resulted was generally haphazard and in many cases severe, but in the general right direction to control the pandemic.

In nearly all cases, when large-scale emergencies' responses fall short, are initially uncoordinated and/or not as effective as they could have been if those in charge were given a second shot after a magical 'reset', its nearly always the 'cock-up' theory that's responsible not the 'conspiracy' theory.



There would be records of the Spanish Flu and other virus's etc since then that they could have referred to. It's not as if it hasn't happened before. So "instinctive" shouldn't really come into it, they could act according to the information that's already available to them

Where politicians do use instinct, is when dealing with the community in a time such as this. It's a type of "panic" that governs their thoughts, and it manifests in irrationality of behavior, sending cops out to bang heads on concrete floors for example. Letting infected foreigners fly in, another irrational response

There's not many calm and collected heads out there, just panicking fools with jurassic instinct tendencies - "kill or be killed" - "Get him before he gets us" ... this type of idiocy

   
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Reply #96 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 5:43pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 4:49pm:
There would be records of the Spanish Flu and other virus's etc since then that they could have referred to. It's not as if it hasn't happened before. So "instinctive" shouldn't really come into it, they could act according to the information that's already available to them

Where politicians do use instinct, is when dealing with the community in a time such as this. It's a type of "panic" that governs their thoughts, and it manifests in irrationality of behavior, sending cops out to bang heads on concrete floors for example. Letting infected foreigners fly in, another irrational response

There's not many calm and collected heads out there, just panicking fools with jurassic instinct tendencies - "kill or be killed" - "Get him before he gets us" ... this type of idiocy

   

Records of the Spanish Flu? Yes... And much of what they did then, was done with this pandemic... Before that there was the outbreak of the plague in Sydney where extreme measures were taken to exterminate it.

Throughout history, the response always has been the same: to ostracise the sick and insulate the healthy from the sick, with harsh (lethal even) measures to deal with the sick who attempted to co-mingle with the healthy. During the black death, villages that were spared the plague would threaten to kill strangers who attempted to enter the village and often they did.

The instinctive pathogenic response is to recoil from the source (or the perceived source) of the pathogen. It's not a rational response, but it is a human one and the methods by which we use to protect the healthy from the sick are the same as they have been throughout history and will continue into the future; for the rest of human existence.

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Re: Discrimination with unvaccinated people
Reply #97 - Oct 9th, 2021 at 5:54pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 9:03am:
Kat wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 8:52am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
NSW is opening up again on Monday we don't have vaccine passports.






Yes, and those of us with more than a single brain-cell are already preparing for the next wave.


Vaccine passports and vaccine certificates only give ignorant people a false sense of security. There is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus why are you ignoring the science are you an ignorant science denying control freak?

When has any of the modeling even been close why do these grifters refuse to pay back jobkeeper and why do we waste money on these people?




I've told you before - trying (and failing) to denigrate and malign me won't make you any more correct.

Or any less incorrect.
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Reply #98 - Oct 10th, 2021 at 10:40am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 5:43pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 4:49pm:
There would be records of the Spanish Flu and other virus's etc since then that they could have referred to. It's not as if it hasn't happened before. So "instinctive" shouldn't really come into it, they could act according to the information that's already available to them

Where politicians do use instinct, is when dealing with the community in a time such as this. It's a type of "panic" that governs their thoughts, and it manifests in irrationality of behavior, sending cops out to bang heads on concrete floors for example. Letting infected foreigners fly in, another irrational response

There's not many calm and collected heads out there, just panicking fools with jurassic instinct tendencies - "kill or be killed" - "Get him before he gets us" ... this type of idiocy

   

Records of the Spanish Flu? Yes... And much of what they did then, was done with this pandemic... Before that there was the outbreak of the plague in Sydney where extreme measures were taken to exterminate it.

Throughout history, the response always has been the same: to ostracise the sick and insulate the healthy from the sick, with harsh (lethal even) measures to deal with the sick who attempted to co-mingle with the healthy. During the black death, villages that were spared the plague would threaten to kill strangers who attempted to enter the village and often they did.

The instinctive pathogenic response is to recoil from the source (or the perceived source) of the pathogen. It's not a rational response, but it is a human one and the methods by which we use to protect the healthy from the sick are the same as they have been throughout history and will continue into the future; for the rest of human existence.



That's right, and the first instinctive reaction of the Libs and Labs is still to "counter-attack" and "take revenge", even now, moving into the 21st Century, They always employ those instinctive attitudes against constituents they don't like. The people they don't like are those that don't immediately do as they're told. The politicians have turned Covid into a war-zone ... there's an enemy, and the enemy is not Covid any longer, it's dreaded "resistance insurgents" ... they've even got the Police thinking that way

The Libs and Labs sure know how to create disharmony when they feel like doing it ...... then later they'll say their usual "We need harmony in our society" .... they are nothing more than jurassic instinctive manipulators - way past their use-by date. Just lately we often hear people say they are sick and tired of them



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Reply #99 - Oct 10th, 2021 at 1:37pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 10:40am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 5:43pm:
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 4:49pm:
There would be records of the Spanish Flu and other virus's etc since then that they could have referred to. It's not as if it hasn't happened before. So "instinctive" shouldn't really come into it, they could act according to the information that's already available to them

Where politicians do use instinct, is when dealing with the community in a time such as this. It's a type of "panic" that governs their thoughts, and it manifests in irrationality of behavior, sending cops out to bang heads on concrete floors for example. Letting infected foreigners fly in, another irrational response

There's not many calm and collected heads out there, just panicking fools with jurassic instinct tendencies - "kill or be killed" - "Get him before he gets us" ... this type of idiocy

   

Records of the Spanish Flu? Yes... And much of what they did then, was done with this pandemic... Before that there was the outbreak of the plague in Sydney where extreme measures were taken to exterminate it.

Throughout history, the response always has been the same: to ostracise the sick and insulate the healthy from the sick, with harsh (lethal even) measures to deal with the sick who attempted to co-mingle with the healthy. During the black death, villages that were spared the plague would threaten to kill strangers who attempted to enter the village and often they did.

The instinctive pathogenic response is to recoil from the source (or the perceived source) of the pathogen. It's not a rational response, but it is a human one and the methods by which we use to protect the healthy from the sick are the same as they have been throughout history and will continue into the future; for the rest of human existence.



That's right, and the first instinctive reaction of the Libs and Labs is still to "counter-attack" and "take revenge", even now, moving into the 21st Century, They always employ those instinctive attitudes against constituents they don't like. The people they don't like are those that don't immediately do as they're told. The politicians have turned Covid into a war-zone ... there's an enemy, and the enemy is not Covid any longer, it's dreaded "resistance insurgents" ... they've even got the Police thinking that way

The Libs and Labs sure know how to create disharmony when they feel like doing it ...... then later they'll say their usual "We need harmony in our society" .... they are nothing more than jurassic instinctive manipulators - way past their use-by date. Just lately we often hear people say they are sick and tired of them

It wouldn't matter who was in power (even if it were the Greens or any party), the human response would be the same.

In humans, the primal, instinctive pathogenic response is also co-opted as the mechanism by which we respond to moral disgust. We recoil from those who transgress collective or personal morality in the same way we recoil from pathogens, which means our primary response to evidence of contagious sickness usually triggers both. In short, the sick can disgust us in two ways.

The suppression of moral disgust to sickness has only been possible in the modern era (over the last, say, 150 years) because advances in science has taught us that sickness is not the result of god's (or a higher metaphysical power's) moral displeasure.

Yet, while, as humans, our higher facultires can suppress this response, they will still be triggered when we see / comprehend physical sickness, moral transgressions or the sight of sickness triggering both; varying in intensity from aversion to revulsion.

If you imagine that the response to this virus is significant, imagine if it had a 30%+ death rate. In that circumstance it would not be an exaggeration to suggest that those who were sick, and who attempted to infiltrate healthy communities, would be shot dead on sight.

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Reply #100 - Oct 10th, 2021 at 3:48pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 1:37pm:
It wouldn't matter who was in power (even if it were the Greens or any party), the human response would be the same.

In humans, the primal, instinctive pathogenic response is also co-opted as the mechanism by which we respond to moral disgust. We recoil from those who transgress collective or personal morality in the same way we recoil from pathogens, which means our primary response to evidence of contagious sickness usually triggers both. In short, the sick can disgust us in two ways.

The suppression of moral disgust to sickness has only been possible in the modern era (over the last, say, 150 years) because advances in science has taught us that sickness is not the result of god's (or a higher metaphysical power's) moral displeasure.

Yet, while, as humans, our higher facultires can suppress this response, they will still be triggered when we see / comprehend physical sickness, moral transgressions or the sight of sickness triggering both; varying in intensity from aversion to revulsion.

If you imagine that the response to this virus is significant, imagine if it had a 30%+ death rate. In that circumstance it would not be an exaggeration to suggest that those who were sick, and who attempted to infiltrate healthy communities, would be shot dead on sight.



There's been great advances in medical science, but very little advancement in the science of self-control. The use of Reptilian brains seems to be the go in the community and parliaments as far as this Covid thing goes

What happened to human dignity, is that just for some, and bugger the rest? .... Discrimination cancels out human dignity ... but I'm noticing praise and approval for those who are doing the discriminating

We have a long way to go before we finally eradicate "feel good" instincts that destroy other constituents in our so called "We Are One" society. It's still the law of the jungle on certain levels ... panicking politicians equals subsequent police brutality, lack of self-control and inevitable discrimination




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Reply #101 - Oct 10th, 2021 at 3:53pm
 
Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 3:48pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 1:37pm:
It wouldn't matter who was in power (even if it were the Greens or any party), the human response would be the same.

In humans, the primal, instinctive pathogenic response is also co-opted as the mechanism by which we respond to moral disgust. We recoil from those who transgress collective or personal morality in the same way we recoil from pathogens, which means our primary response to evidence of contagious sickness usually triggers both. In short, the sick can disgust us in two ways.

The suppression of moral disgust to sickness has only been possible in the modern era (over the last, say, 150 years) because advances in science has taught us that sickness is not the result of god's (or a higher metaphysical power's) moral displeasure.

Yet, while, as humans, our higher facultires can suppress this response, they will still be triggered when we see / comprehend physical sickness, moral transgressions or the sight of sickness triggering both; varying in intensity from aversion to revulsion.

If you imagine that the response to this virus is significant, imagine if it had a 30%+ death rate. In that circumstance it would not be an exaggeration to suggest that those who were sick, and who attempted to infiltrate healthy communities, would be shot dead on sight.



There's been great advances in medical science, but very little advancement in the science of self-control. The use of Reptilian brains seems to be the go in the community and parliaments as far as this Covid thing goes

What happened to human dignity, is that just for some, and bugger the rest? .... Discrimination cancels out human dignity ... but I'm noticing praise and approval for those who are doing the discriminating

We have a long way to go before we finally eradicate "feel good" instincts that destroy other constituents in our so called "We Are One" society. It's still the law of the jungle on certain levels ... panicking politicians equals subsequent police brutality, lack of self-control and inevitable discrimination

More like primate-mammalian brain.

These powerful motivators are hard to control... Like escaping from fire, for example, that invariably causes panic... Which is why the analogy that free speech does not cover the right to shout 'fire' in a theatre.

Disease (or the threat of it) trigger these deeply instinctive responses and are as hard to pacify or eliminate as trying not to think of an elephant.
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Reply #102 - Oct 10th, 2021 at 5:05pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 3:34pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 11:10am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:56am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 9:03am:
Kat wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 8:52am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
NSW is opening up again on Monday we don't have vaccine passports.






Yes, and those of us with more than a single brain-cell are already preparing for the next wave.


Vaccine passports and vaccine certificates only give ignorant people a false sense of security. There is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus why are you ignoring the science are you an ignorant science denying control freak?

When has any of the modeling even been close why do these grifters refuse to pay back jobkeeper and why do we waste money on these people?




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Vaccine passports and vaccine certificates only give ignorant people a false sense of security. There is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus


Vaccinated people spread the virus less, If close to the vaccination a lot less but it deteriorates over time.

You seem to ignore the difference in catching the virus and the likely severity if you do.

The attitude you express here would mean that the next wave is already locked in and its going to be both soon and real bad.


No difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus why are you ignoring the science on this?

The vaccine is non sterlising it doesn't prevent you from catching virus carrying and spreading it the only thing the vaccine does it train your immune system to recognise spike protein and fight virus. The vaccine is supposed to prevent serious illness when you catch virus it does nothing else.

It's high school science with throwing out old theories that have proved to be wrong and embracing new correct theory it's clear idiots like you have no idea with the basics of science and it's here for everyone to see with posts from ignorant people like you.


The vast majority of people dying in hospital with covid-19 believed what you do - once.



meh

its only a handful a day.

50 die every day of heart attacks

the vast majority of those thought it was fine to go to maccas and sit on the couch.

i dont see you calling for lockdowns of maccas and netflix.

despite the fact 10 x as many are dying.

in fact, lockdowns have been a great bonus for maccas and netflix.

meanwhile gyms and healthy salad bars are demolished.

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Reply #103 - Oct 10th, 2021 at 5:55pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Oct 10th, 2021 at 5:05pm:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 3:34pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 11:10am:
Dnarever wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 10:56am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 9:03am:
Kat wrote on Oct 9th, 2021 at 8:52am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Oct 8th, 2021 at 5:14pm:
NSW is opening up again on Monday we don't have vaccine passports.






Yes, and those of us with more than a single brain-cell are already preparing for the next wave.


Vaccine passports and vaccine certificates only give ignorant people a false sense of security. There is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus why are you ignoring the science are you an ignorant science denying control freak?

When has any of the modeling even been close why do these grifters refuse to pay back jobkeeper and why do we waste money on these people?




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Vaccine passports and vaccine certificates only give ignorant people a false sense of security. There is no difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus


Vaccinated people spread the virus less, If close to the vaccination a lot less but it deteriorates over time.

You seem to ignore the difference in catching the virus and the likely severity if you do.

The attitude you express here would mean that the next wave is already locked in and its going to be both soon and real bad.


No difference between vaxxed and unvaxxed in spreading this virus why are you ignoring the science on this?

The vaccine is non sterlising it doesn't prevent you from catching virus carrying and spreading it the only thing the vaccine does it train your immune system to recognise spike protein and fight virus. The vaccine is supposed to prevent serious illness when you catch virus it does nothing else.

It's high school science with throwing out old theories that have proved to be wrong and embracing new correct theory it's clear idiots like you have no idea with the basics of science and it's here for everyone to see with posts from ignorant people like you.


The vast majority of people dying in hospital with covid-19 believed what you do - once.



meh

its only a handful a day.


50 die every day of heart attacks

the vast majority of those thought it was fine to go to maccas and sit on the couch.

i dont see you calling for lockdowns of maccas and netflix.

despite the fact 10 x as many are dying.

in fact, lockdowns have been a great bonus for maccas and netflix.

meanwhile gyms and healthy salad bars are demolished.

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Yes, compare this to a daily death toll of 46 per day of Australians dying from kidney disease.
Then there’s 48 deaths in Australia per day of CHD.
And 136 deaths per day from cancer.

This is per day for just those 3 mentioned.
Just those 3 alone accounts for 230 deaths per day!

Re: getting COVID vax health passes to go into McDonald’s, that’s actually quite funny.


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Reply #104 - Oct 10th, 2021 at 6:11pm
 
one more time for the terminally slow ..


the death rate is only a small part of it. Most of our restrictions are there to protect the health system from collapse. Open up before you have enough people immunised and you can just about guarantee that the health system won't cope

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