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Reply #15 - Jan 13^th, 2022 at 12:30am

whiteknight wrote on Oct 19^th, 2021 at 12:35pm:

18 OCT 2021 Mirage News.
Increase training and wages, not immigration

Electrical Trades Union
Scott Morrison and Dominic Perrottet should concentrate on increasing skills, wages and conditions in the electrical trades sector rather than importing cut price labour from overseas the Electrical Trades Union said today..

The NSW Premier last week opened the door to allowing an additional two million people into the country in the next five years, whilst the Morrison Government is currently negotiating a free trade deal with Britain which will make it easier for hundreds of thousands more Britons to take Australian jobs. Sad

This is despite the stagnant wages and working conditions indicating no competition amongst employers to attract staff.

“Dominic Perrottet and Scott Morrison are solving a problem which doesn’t exist,” said Michael Wright Assistant National Secretary of the Electrical Trades Union of Australia.

“If the resource and sectors were suffering critical skills shortages, we would see rising wages and improving conditions. Instead, we’re fighting against insecure work and a race to the bottom with labour hire. Dumping thousands of temporary British migrants into our capital cities is only going to make these problems worse.

“And the answer to skills shortages is always more training for local apprentices, not bringing in vulnerable workers from overseas.

“We have also seen reports of worrying plans to abolish labour market testing which would allow major employers to import cheap labour to undercut their workforce without any statistical proof of a skills shortage.

“All Australians wage earners know they haven’t seen a pay rise in a decade, but meanwhile their mortgages, rents, and grocery and utility bills have all gone up.

“This feels suspiciously like Scott Morrison and Dominic Perrottet doing the bidding of their mates in the big end of town by bringing in cheap labour to undercut hardworking Australians, it’s a total betrayal.

“This is big business gearing up to pump up their profits at the expense of their workforce under the guise of a COVID recovery plan.

“We urgently need

The Poms will be like Filipinos and Pacific Islanders after Brexit, off to the big smoke to work and send cash back to the village.

Pommy guest workers will become the Poles of Australia. We'll have to have our own little Brexit to get rid of them all.

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Reply #16 - Jan 19^th, 2022 at 8:07am

Tuesday, 18 January 202 Media release

December-January sees strong demand for temporary migrant visas; further flexibility for temporary migrants

The Morrison Government welcomes the return to Australia of a range of temporary workers to support our pandemic recovery in critical roles.

International Student Arrival Numbers
I am pleased to welcome the arrival in Australia of more than 43,000 International Students since the Government announced that fully vaccinated eligible visa holders can enter Australia, including Skilled and Student cohorts, as well as Humanitarian, Working Holiday Maker and certain family visa holders.

There are currently more than 150,000 International Student visa holders overseas who have been supported to continue their Australian studies, and the reopening of our borders to them sends a clear signal that Australia remains a top study destination.

Skilled Workers and Working Holiday Maker Arrival Numbers
Additionally, more than 8,000 Skilled workers have arrived in Australia, and 22,000 Working Holiday Maker visas have been granted since November 2021. Demand for Working Holiday visas has been particularly strong.

Australia has also welcomed around 60,000 family members of Australians visiting since the Government’s announced changes in November 2021.

Skilled Regional Provisional Visa Flexibility
The Government will extend by 3 years Skilled Regional Provisional (subclass 489, 491 and 494) visas where the visa holder was impacted by COVID-19 international travel restrictions. This will assist around 10,000 skilled regional workers.

This will provide sufficient additional time for all current and former Skilled Regional Provisional visa holders to make travel arrangements to start or resume living and working in regional Australia.

Temporary Graduate Visa Flexibility
The Government will make changes to allow entry of current and former Temporary Graduate (subclass 485) visa holders from 18 February 2022, to allow them to re-enter Australia and apply for a further stay.

Visas will be extended for graduates who were outside of Australia at any time between 1 February 2020 and 14 December 2021, while they held a valid Temporary Graduate visa.

The extension will take effect on 18 February 2022 and visa holders will be notified directly by the Department of Home Affairs of the extension of their visa and may arrive after this occurs, from 18 February onwards.

These changes support the return to Australia of temporary graduates as soon as possible, ahead of further planned changes on 1 July 2022 that will provide a further visa extension option to former graduates.
https://minister.homeaffairs.gov.au/AlexHawke/Pages/further-flexibility-for-temp...

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Reply #17 - Jan 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 9:18am:

Training is run down and will not be increased.

Skilled migrants are essential and are fresh blood in the lazy land of “It’ll be orright, mate!” lotus eating.

Rubbish .... & they're in the main not bringing in "skilled" migrants.

The definition of skilled is very loose for employer groups.

At any rate any migrant skilled worker should have to be tested on their skills prior to being employed as such.

You just can't turn up here and say you're a doctor or even an "electrician".

And the TAFE & Apprenticeship schemes can be fixed.

Some money needs to re-directed from those who won't get off their arses & work.

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Reply #18 - Jan 19^th, 2022 at 9:08am

Gnads wrote on Jan 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Oct 20^th, 2021 at 9:18am:

Training is run down and will not be increased.

Skilled migrants are essential and are fresh blood in the lazy land of “It’ll be orright, mate!” lotus eating.

Rubbish .... & they're in the main not bringing in "skilled" migrants.

The definition of skilled is very loose for employer groups.

At any rate any migrant skilled worker should have to be tested on their skills prior to being employed as such.

You just can't turn up here and say you're a doctor or even an "electrician".

And the TAFE & Apprenticeship schemes can be fixed.

Some money needs to re-directed from those who won't get off their arses & work.

This is the skilled occupation list for migrants. It covers practically every job except public servant.
https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/working-in-australia/skill-occupation-list...

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Reply #19 - Jan 19^th, 2022 at 9:30am

Gnads wrote on Jan 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

The definition of skilled is very loose for employer groups.

that needs to be reworked. We don't need to bring in hairdressers or cooks to work at 'Noodle box', those are relatively easy skills to learn. But some of the more technical and difficult skills we certainly need to bring in.

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Reply #20 - Jan 19^th, 2022 at 6:14pm

John Smith wrote on Jan 19^th, 2022 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

The definition of skilled is very loose for employer groups.

that needs to be reworked. We don't need to bring in hairdressers or cooks to work at 'Noodle box', those are relatively easy skills to learn. But some of the more technical and difficult skills we certainly need to bring in.

Skill and qualification assessments must be much more stringent.

Even Australian qualifications are not sufficient for employability for a lot of so called skilled migrants who had a student visa before.

For example, graduating from an Australian university with a bachelor of Nursing degree is not sufficient evidence for English language competency to be registered by the Nurses Registration Board.
The English language (and social competency) of graduates with massive overseas student cohorts like business, accounting, finance, nursing (sometimes 80% plus of enrolments) is almost guaranteed to be insufficient for professional skilled employment.

This has been the case for well over a decade now.

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Reply #22 - Apr 20^th, 2022 at 1:39pm

Frank wrote on Jan 19^th, 2022 at 6:14pm:

John Smith wrote on Jan 19^th, 2022 at 9:30am:

Gnads wrote on Jan 19^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

The definition of skilled is very loose for employer groups.

that needs to be reworked. We don't need to bring in hairdressers or cooks to work at 'Noodle box', those are relatively easy skills to learn. But some of the more technical and difficult skills we certainly need to bring in.

Skill and qualification assessments must be much more stringent.

Even Australian qualifications are not sufficient for employability for a lot of so called skilled migrants who had a student visa before.

For example, graduating from an Australian university with a bachelor of Nursing degree is not sufficient evidence for English language competency to be registered by the Nurses Registration Board.
The English language (and social competency) of graduates with massive overseas student cohorts like business, accounting, finance, nursing (sometimes 80% plus of enrolments) is almost guaranteed to be insufficient for professional skilled employment.

This has been the case for well over a decade now.

Late Addition:- WELL! Chopping off the borderline intrusions has certainly lowered unemployment here - clearly showing that we have no need for further people coming here to 'make up for shortages' - another lie we've been fed for years. We need pilots? Nurses? Hydraulic Engineers to show us how to wreck the Murray-Darling? Farmers? Our good ones are all overseas making more money in the Turdholistani nations where the petrol dollars flow free... my cousin made a fortune nursing in Saudi Arabia.... and kept her head while doing it....

You oughta see what gets into Med school on the full fee payment pass.... people with zero idea ....

Universities (etc) must revert to being houses of learning, not sausage processing machines for the half-good with money or patience to wade through years... I was amazed to hear from the audiologist that his course was five years... what do they do for four - play tiddley-winks?

Audiology 407(a) - today's classes ..... the effect of hearing on social interaction at parties ....... international convention rules on the rights of the auditorily disadvantaged in Kathmandu .... the impact of a loud noise on hearing...... the possible effect of gunfire, mortar and artillery explosions and aerial rocket explosions on the hearing of Veterans- is this for real? ....if you have an auditory disability, inform your lecturer so she can shout..... those who are legally blind should read section (b) before proceeding....

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Re: Increase Training And Wages, Not Immigration
Reply #23 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 9:15am

The higher education sector is pushing Labor to lure thousands more Indian students with cheaper visas and easier working arrangements

As universities try to diversify their foreign student intake and wean themselves off a decade-long overreliance on the Chinese market, the number of Indian students granted a visa almost doubled between June and July, from just over 3000 to close to 6000 as visa backlogs were worked through by the Home Affairs Department following a boost to staff under Labor.

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Australia already charges more than most competitor countries for a range of student visa classes,” he said. “Quite a number of students come on initial student visas to do diplomas or English-language courses and then have to pay extra to extend.

“In the visa policy mix, it is crucial that Australia’s visa charge remains competitive.”

A standard student visa costs $650, while a visa that includes post-study working rights costs $1650.

Mr Honeywood said Indian students needed clarity around migration pathways, which would incentivise them to study in Australia.

“Where we have skills in demand, we must make sure these students can be shown a nexus between the course they’re hoping to study and Australian citizenship,” he said.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/smooth-passage-from-india-high...

India - get it inda'ya.

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Reply #25 - Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 9:32am

Frank wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2022 at 9:15am:

The higher education sector is pushing Labor to lure thousands more Indian students with cheaper visas and easier working arrangements

Will we also be getting "Tomato Flu" as part of the deal?

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A mysterious “tomato flu” has been detected in India and now there are fears it is “likely” to spread to Australia.

The rare viral infection was first detected in Kerala, India on May 6 and has so far infected more than 80 children under the age of five.

I must admit I didn't have that one on my 2022 Pandemic bingo card.

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