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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16550 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Fat kids Reply #30 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:01pm Frank wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 8:23pm: Gordon wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 7:37pm: AiA wrote on Oct 30^th, 2021 at 7:04pm: If I had fat kid I'd slip some cyanide into his Halloween candy ... What would you do if your wife put on weight after you married? I'd review what I am feeding her. Kibble diet for a while?
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24730 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: Fat kids Reply #31 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:02pm Nice. Not only will that type of chocolate make the kid regular for a few days. The next week, the kid will end up constipated and probably worse off until he can naturally get regular again.
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Reply #32 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:06pm

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:07am:

gordan, i was listening to an evolutionary biologist who made a lot of sense.

he said that for 1000's of generations, humans really only got carbs with high fructose in the form of seasonal fruits and they would gorge themselves and try to put on fat, because the fruit woul be gone pretty quick

so sweet stuff induces

1 increased appetite
2 increased fat storage.

i think that right

people who drink sweet drinks, eat biscuits and cakes and deserts, like white break, like all those processed carb products like breakfast cereals are always hungry and always fat.

i'm not saying people need to go full on paleo but i eat a helluva a lot of eggs and red meat and i never touch brekkie cereal , biscuits, bread or cake. or soft drink.

i just dont like them.

and i have heaps of energy.

i go bush walking with guys who have to munch a muesli bar (processed cabs with corns syrup) every 90 mintues and they always look like they are gunna pass out.

i just have a few hard boiled eggs and water and your body is full of energy.

i think if people just gave up carbs except for salads, avacados,tomatoes sweet potatoe and maybe a few oranges and bananas and ate more meat fish chicken eggs and beans , they would have heaps more energy and would shed kilos

Here's one for you Aqua... Feeding mammals(rats?) a high fructose diet seems to induce the cilia in their gut to grow allowing more nutrients to be absorbed. While this may seem like a good thing, and it is, it's not a good thing if you eat a heap of fructose throughout the year ans as we see that leads to obesity.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16550 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Fat kids Reply #33 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:08pm mothra wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 2:18am: This forum is so unbelievably hateful. Thank the gods it's dying. Umm, so are you... Both counts.
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Reply #34 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:11pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:07am:

gordan, i was listening to an evolutionary biologist who made a lot of sense.

he said that for 1000's of generations, humans really only got carbs with high fructose in the form of seasonal fruits and they would gorge themselves and try to put on fat, because the fruit woul be gone pretty quick

so sweet stuff induces

1 increased appetite
2 increased fat storage.

i think that right

people who drink sweet drinks, eat biscuits and cakes and deserts, like white break, like all those processed carb products like breakfast cereals are always hungry and always fat.

i'm not saying people need to go full on paleo but i eat a helluva a lot of eggs and red meat and i never touch brekkie cereal , biscuits, bread or cake. or soft drink.

i just dont like them.

and i have heaps of energy.

i go bush walking with guys who have to munch a muesli bar (processed cabs with corns syrup) every 90 mintues and they always look like they are gunna pass out.

i just have a few hard boiled eggs and water and your body is full of energy.

i think if people just gave up carbs except for salads, avacados,tomatoes sweet potatoe and maybe a few oranges and bananas and ate more meat fish chicken eggs and beans , they would have heaps more energy and would shed kilos

Here's one for you Aqua... Feeding mammals(rats?) a high fructose diet seems to induce the cilia in their gut to grow allowing more nutrients to be absorbed. While this may seem like a good thing, and it is, it's not a good thing if you eat a heap of fructose throughout the year ans as we see that leads to obesity.

fructose (sugar) is quite rare in nature, it makes sense that animals have evolved to make the best use of it, like humans. Unfortunately from an evolutionary standpoint the best way to use fructose is to store it as fat and that doesnt work too well if sugar is constantly available and consumed as in modern diets.

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Reply #35 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:20pm

rhino wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:07am:

gordan, i was listening to an evolutionary biologist who made a lot of sense.

he said that for 1000's of generations, humans really only got carbs with high fructose in the form of seasonal fruits and they would gorge themselves and try to put on fat, because the fruit woul be gone pretty quick

so sweet stuff induces

1 increased appetite
2 increased fat storage.

i think that right

people who drink sweet drinks, eat biscuits and cakes and deserts, like white break, like all those processed carb products like breakfast cereals are always hungry and always fat.

i'm not saying people need to go full on paleo but i eat a helluva a lot of eggs and red meat and i never touch brekkie cereal , biscuits, bread or cake. or soft drink.

i just dont like them.

and i have heaps of energy.

i go bush walking with guys who have to munch a muesli bar (processed cabs with corns syrup) every 90 mintues and they always look like they are gunna pass out.

i just have a few hard boiled eggs and water and your body is full of energy.

i think if people just gave up carbs except for salads, avacados,tomatoes sweet potatoe and maybe a few oranges and bananas and ate more meat fish chicken eggs and beans , they would have heaps more energy and would shed kilos

Here's one for you Aqua... Feeding mammals(rats?) a high fructose diet seems to induce the cilia in their gut to grow allowing more nutrients to be absorbed. While this may seem like a good thing, and it is, it's not a good thing if you eat a heap of fructose throughout the year ans as we see that leads to obesity.

fructose (sugar) is quite rare in nature, it makes sense that animals have evolved to make the best use of it, like humans. Unfortunately from an evolutionary standpoint the best way to use fructose is to store it as fat and that doesnt work too well if sugar is constantly available and consumed as in modern diets.

Fructose is common in nature it's found in these and other fruits.

Bananas
Apples
Strawberries
Oranges
Mandarins
Mango
Grapefruit
Peaches
Apricots
Grapefruit

Some veggies containing fructose
Tomato
Onion
Cucumber
Asparagus
Lettuce
Beans
Carrots
Brussel sprouts
Broccoli
Sweet potato
Spinich
Peas
Corn
Potato
Mushrooms

Fruit and veggies contain fructose which is good for you it's low in calories it's absurd to claim it will make you fat. Are you claiming the fructose in tomatos can make you fat ? LMAO at your stupidity.

Always better to eat the fruit instead of just drinking the juice.

You should avoid processed sugars and things like high fructose corn syrup

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136744 Gender:	Re: Fat kids Reply #36 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:23pm Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:20pm: Always better to eat the fruit instead of just drinking the juice. Have to agree with you 100% on this. In particular, don't drink orange juice - it will destroy your teeth.
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Fat kids Reply #37 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:32pm Put fat kids on starvation diets for their own well being .
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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Fat kids Reply #38 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:33pm greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:23pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:20pm: Always better to eat the fruit instead of just drinking the juice. Have to agree with you 100% on this. In particular, don't drink orange juice - it will destroy your teeth. Not if you clean them.
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Reply #39 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:35pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:07am:

gordan, i was listening to an evolutionary biologist who made a lot of sense.

he said that for 1000's of generations, humans really only got carbs with high fructose in the form of seasonal fruits and they would gorge themselves and try to put on fat, because the fruit woul be gone pretty quick

so sweet stuff induces

1 increased appetite
2 increased fat storage.

i think that right

people who drink sweet drinks, eat biscuits and cakes and deserts, like white break, like all those processed carb products like breakfast cereals are always hungry and always fat.

i'm not saying people need to go full on paleo but i eat a helluva a lot of eggs and red meat and i never touch brekkie cereal , biscuits, bread or cake. or soft drink.

i just dont like them.

and i have heaps of energy.

i go bush walking with guys who have to munch a muesli bar (processed cabs with corns syrup) every 90 mintues and they always look like they are gunna pass out.

i just have a few hard boiled eggs and water and your body is full of energy.

i think if people just gave up carbs except for salads, avacados,tomatoes sweet potatoe and maybe a few oranges and bananas and ate more meat fish chicken eggs and beans , they would have heaps more energy and would shed kilos

Here's one for you Aqua... Feeding mammals(rats?) a high fructose diet seems to induce the cilia in their gut to grow allowing more nutrients to be absorbed. While this may seem like a good thing, and it is, it's not a good thing if you eat a heap of fructose throughout the year ans as we see that leads to obesity.

one of the more interesting thing going on at the moment is with "micro biomes'
i see gastroenterologists are now using donor fecal ingestion to try to get peoples guts back to normal

farmers have been onto this for years.

animals have to be kept off fresh green pasture as it leads to colic, founder and metabolic syndrome in animals.
its simply too high in sugar and induces a bacterial overgrowth and fermentation.

if you look up things like the FODMAP diet, you will see that this is also a problem for a lot of humans with abdomenal pain.

antibiotics and sugars greatly change your gut bacteria.
and you actually have more bacterial cells in your gut then you have human cells in your body (are you a human or a bacteria?).

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Reply #40 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:39pm

Johnnie wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:23pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:20pm:

Always better to eat the fruit instead of just drinking the juice.

Have to agree with you 100% on this.

In particular, don't drink orange juice - it will destroy your teeth.

Not if you clean them.

Sure, straight after drinking it.

But most people don't.

Moreover, brushing them straight after drinking orange juice is even worse - it rubs the acid into the teeth and helps destroy the enamel.

If you want to drink orange juice, you need to rinse your mouth out with water immediately after.

If you don't, you're destroying your teeth.

And let's be honest, nobody does that.

(Same with apple cider vinegar, by the way)

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Reply #41 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:40pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:20pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:07am:

gordan, i was listening to an evolutionary biologist who made a lot of sense.

he said that for 1000's of generations, humans really only got carbs with high fructose in the form of seasonal fruits and they would gorge themselves and try to put on fat, because the fruit woul be gone pretty quick

so sweet stuff induces

1 increased appetite
2 increased fat storage.

i think that right

people who drink sweet drinks, eat biscuits and cakes and deserts, like white break, like all those processed carb products like breakfast cereals are always hungry and always fat.

i'm not saying people need to go full on paleo but i eat a helluva a lot of eggs and red meat and i never touch brekkie cereal , biscuits, bread or cake. or soft drink.

i just dont like them.

and i have heaps of energy.

i go bush walking with guys who have to munch a muesli bar (processed cabs with corns syrup) every 90 mintues and they always look like they are gunna pass out.

i just have a few hard boiled eggs and water and your body is full of energy.

i think if people just gave up carbs except for salads, avacados,tomatoes sweet potatoe and maybe a few oranges and bananas and ate more meat fish chicken eggs and beans , they would have heaps more energy and would shed kilos

Here's one for you Aqua... Feeding mammals(rats?) a high fructose diet seems to induce the cilia in their gut to grow allowing more nutrients to be absorbed. While this may seem like a good thing, and it is, it's not a good thing if you eat a heap of fructose throughout the year ans as we see that leads to obesity.

fructose (sugar) is quite rare in nature, it makes sense that animals have evolved to make the best use of it, like humans. Unfortunately from an evolutionary standpoint the best way to use fructose is to store it as fat and that doesnt work too well if sugar is constantly available and consumed as in modern diets.

Fructose is common in nature it's found in these and other fruits.

Bananas
Apples
Strawberries
Oranges
Mandarins
Mango
Grapefruit
Peaches
Apricots
Grapefruit

Some veggies containing fructose
Tomato
Onion
Cucumber
Asparagus
Lettuce
Beans
Carrots
Brussel sprouts
Broccoli
Sweet potato
Spinich
Peas
Corn
Potato
Mushrooms

Fruit and veggies contain fructose which is good for you it's low in calories it's absurd to claim it will make you fat. Are you claiming the fructose in tomatos can make you fat ? LMAO at your stupidity.

Always better to eat the fruit instead of just drinking the juice.

You should avoid processed sugars and things like high fructose corn syrup

No, incorrect, not found in nature. Like all that list of fruits which you provide have been selected for over many generations to provide high amounts of fructose and bear little resemblance to what our ancestors ate for millions of years, this is exactly why our bodies immediately take fructose and store it as fat. Sugar is ancestrally rare for the body, there are no essential carbohydrates or sugars, only essential fats and proteins required by the body, thats because we evolved not to eat carbs, they just do not occur naturally in nature the way we are eating them. The only times our ancestors got a lot of carbs was from knocking down the occasional beehive and (sour) fruit in season, thats the other thing that you also miss. Modern fruit has also been selected and engineered for the most adaptable to bear fruit for longer, this is not how it occurs in nature. Dont you call yourself a farmer? Hang your head in shame for not knowing this basic stuff.

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Fat kids Reply #42 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:44pm Its actually a nonsense that anyone requires fruit for good health, it is a myth perpetuated by the food industry, just like the 3 square meals a day nonsense. Plenty of vitamin c and everything else in vegetables. Kind of strange aqua buying in this nonsense since he continually labels others as gullible.
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Reply #43 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:57pm

rhino wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:44pm:

Its actually a nonsense that anyone requires fruit for good health, it is a myth perpetuated by the food industry, just like the 3 square meals a day nonsense. Plenty of vitamin c and everything else in vegetables. Kind of strange aqua buying in this nonsense since he continually labels others as gullible.

Despite our differences, I have to agree 100%.

People get so sucked in to, for want of a better description, the "Kelloggs" myth.

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Reply #44 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:02pm

rhino wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:40pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:20pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:11pm:

Setanta wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:06pm:

aquascoot wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:07am:

gordan, i was listening to an evolutionary biologist who made a lot of sense.

he said that for 1000's of generations, humans really only got carbs with high fructose in the form of seasonal fruits and they would gorge themselves and try to put on fat, because the fruit woul be gone pretty quick

so sweet stuff induces

1 increased appetite
2 increased fat storage.

i think that right

people who drink sweet drinks, eat biscuits and cakes and deserts, like white break, like all those processed carb products like breakfast cereals are always hungry and always fat.

i'm not saying people need to go full on paleo but i eat a helluva a lot of eggs and red meat and i never touch brekkie cereal , biscuits, bread or cake. or soft drink.

i just dont like them.

and i have heaps of energy.

i go bush walking with guys who have to munch a muesli bar (processed cabs with corns syrup) every 90 mintues and they always look like they are gunna pass out.

i just have a few hard boiled eggs and water and your body is full of energy.

i think if people just gave up carbs except for salads, avacados,tomatoes sweet potatoe and maybe a few oranges and bananas and ate more meat fish chicken eggs and beans , they would have heaps more energy and would shed kilos

Here's one for you Aqua... Feeding mammals(rats?) a high fructose diet seems to induce the cilia in their gut to grow allowing more nutrients to be absorbed. While this may seem like a good thing, and it is, it's not a good thing if you eat a heap of fructose throughout the year ans as we see that leads to obesity.

fructose (sugar) is quite rare in nature, it makes sense that animals have evolved to make the best use of it, like humans. Unfortunately from an evolutionary standpoint the best way to use fructose is to store it as fat and that doesnt work too well if sugar is constantly available and consumed as in modern diets.

Fructose is common in nature it's found in these and other fruits.

Bananas
Apples
Strawberries
Oranges
Mandarins
Mango
Grapefruit
Peaches
Apricots
Grapefruit

Some veggies containing fructose
Tomato
Onion
Cucumber
Asparagus
Lettuce
Beans
Carrots
Brussel sprouts
Broccoli
Sweet potato
Spinich
Peas
Corn
Potato
Mushrooms

Fruit and veggies contain fructose which is good for you it's low in calories it's absurd to claim it will make you fat. Are you claiming the fructose in tomatos can make you fat ? LMAO at your stupidity.

Always better to eat the fruit instead of just drinking the juice.

You should avoid processed sugars and things like high fructose corn syrup

No, incorrect, not found in nature. Like all that list of fruits which you provide have been selected for over many generations to provide high amounts of fructose and bear little resemblance to what our ancestors ate for millions of years, this is exactly why our bodies immediately take fructose and store it as fat. Sugar is ancestrally rare for the body, there are no essential carbohydrates or sugars, only essential fats and proteins required by the body, thats because we evolved not to eat carbs, they just do not occur naturally in nature the way we are eating them. The only times our ancestors got a lot of carbs was from knocking down the occasional beehive and (sour) fruit in season, thats the other thing that you also miss. Modern fruit has also been selected and engineered for the most adaptable to bear fruit for longer, this is not how it occurs in nature. Dont you call yourself a farmer? Hang your head in shame for not knowing this basic stuff.

Everything i listed is considered a Carb are you saying we shouldn't eat anything i listed because we evolved to not eat any of that?

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