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Reply #90 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:39pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:51pm:

No vaccination offers 100% protection. You can still get any virus you are vaccinated against. That's why heard immunity is so important.

Herd immunity isn't going to happen with these vaccines.

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AstraZeneca Scientist Says Delta Variant Makes Herd Immunity Impossible. Here's Why

12 AUGUST 2021

The Delta variant has changed the equation for achieving herd immunity, the developer of the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine has said.

Speaking at a UK parliamentary meeting on Tuesday, Sir Andrew Pollard, a professor of pediatric infection and immunity at the University of Oxford, said that achieving herd immunity is "not a possibility" now that the Delta variant is circulating.

He said it was unlikely that herd immunity will ever be reached, saying the next variant of the novel coronavirus will be "perhaps even better at transmitting in vaccinated populations".

But growing evidence suggests that, with the Delta variant, fully vaccinated people can still transmit the virus.
"We don't have anything which will stop that transmission to other people," Pollard said.

https://www.sciencealert.com/delta-variant-means-we-can-rule-out-herd-immunity-s...

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Reply #91 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

Dickhead!!!

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

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Reply #92 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:47pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm:

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

Dickhead!!!

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Still way above case fatality rate.

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Reply #93 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:48pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:21pm:

Are those numbers for the Alpha variant?

It's from here -
https://ncirs.org.au/covid-19/covid-19-vaccines-frequently-asked-questions

last updated 28/10/21

Vaccine effectiveness is declining to about 70% (USA), 65% (Israel)

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037a7.htm?s_cid=mm7037a7_w

But - "Fourth, this study did not estimate VE by vaccine product, and persons were categorized fully vaccinated at 14 days after final dose, per CDC definitions; however, the Janssen vaccine might have higher efficacy at 28 days."

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Reply #94 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm:

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Yes petal. Most aged care residents have health conditions or are in palliative care. They still get reflected in the stats for age - despite underlying conditions. Grin

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Reply #95 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 1:39pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:01pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:00pm:

Smallpox vax is about 95% effective.

Roughly the same as this Vax

"In clinical trials COVID-19 vaccines have been shown to provide excellent protection from getting sick with COVID-19. In these trials, after two doses the Pfizer vaccine was about 95% effective, the Moderna vaccine was 94% effective and the AstraZeneca vaccine was at least 62–70% effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19. "

Such a wide range of effectiveness. As they were older they would have been mandated Astraeneca, as I was. So nowhere near 95%

No people with immune suppressed systems have about 7% effectivness.

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Reply #96 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 1:40pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm:

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Yes petal. Most aged care residents have health conditions or are in palliative care. They still get reflected in the stats for age - despite underlying conditions. Grin

Yes but you still shot yourself in the foot admitting that the numbers that you stress are not relevant.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17436 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #97 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 3:02pm Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 1:40pm: es but you still shot yourself in the foot admitting that the numbers that you stress are not relevant. Really? Maybe you should provide your translation.
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Reply #98 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 3:08pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 1:39pm:

No people with immune suppressed systems have about 7% effectivness.

And yet the CFR at its highest for over 90's at 50%. You would expect the old and frail to be much higher CFR.

But you seem to be saying that people with comorbidities who are over 90 should die at 93%.

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Reply #99 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:02pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:53pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm:

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Most aged care residents have health conditions or are in palliative care. They still get reflected in the stats for age - despite underlying conditions.

Is the complete bullshit you post supposed to relevant....The statement above only reflects those who have died in NSW aged care which makes your statement irrelevant bullshit as usual....You cant even read or understand plain English....You are stupid and a dickhead!!!

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20237 Perth Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #100 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:05pm freediver wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:38pm: Is Lee still trying to say something with these numbers, or just trying to change the subject from his inability to comprehend plain English? He is just a complete dickhead....Even when it is pointed out he is wrong he remains ignorant!!!
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Reply #101 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:08pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:47pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:44pm:

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:24pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 7:13pm:

It seems pretty clear that 49 died.

Yes but 36 or about 73 % were double vaxxed. They shouldn't have been susceptible. After all they were vaccinated.

Dickhead!!!

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Still way above case fatality rate.

The meme you posted is based on reported infections and deaths ya dickhead....It says so in the heading....Another dickhead who cannot understand English???

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Reply #102 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:41pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:02pm:

Is the complete bullshit you post supposed to relevant....The statement above only reflects those who have died in NSW aged care which makes your statement irrelevant bullshit as usual..

Oh so it was 73% of double vaxxed cohort in Sydney? And that is supposed to make a difference? 73% of the cohort is higher than the over 90's 50%. Shouldn't those numbers have been roughly equivalent? Were they all over 90's? Roll Eyes

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17436 Gender:	Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED! Reply #103 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:44pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 4:08pm: The meme you posted is based on reported infections and deaths ya dickhead. So we shouldn't believe the reports now?
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Reply #104 - Nov 2^nd, 2021 at 7:02pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:45pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 8:00pm:

Much like seasonal, annual influenza vaccinations, eh ?

Except much shorter

Not at ALL

You're just not much "chop" at this - ARE you ?
Any "fact checking" you might attempt - results in, well, pretty much a
'crock of yadda'

Select the bits that support your anti-vaxx politic and conspiracy theories - and discard the rest

I have an influenza vaccine - every year - due to a compromised immune system, resulting from a chronic medical condition
I am given the BEST vaccine
(also the most costly - there are six on the market, this year)
with the high efficacy and the longest coverage, time-frame wise

This is around 3-4 months

I've had a booster, on years with a particularly long flu season

I'll put to rest, here, the conspiracy theory on covid vaccines being "untested poison"

NO vaccine goes through "years and years" of trials
Every new 'flu' vaccine goes through the same rigorous testing as they have gone through for the past 80 years

All of the COVID19 vaccines are held to the same standard

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