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Reply #30 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:35am

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:40pm:

What conclusion did you draw from the numbers?

A 14% success rate is a success? You really do set a low bar. Grin

It is an appalling failure. It may well have been more successful not to be "vaccinated".

According to the ABS those over 90 had a CFR of 40%, those 70-79 30%. And yet an 86% death rate is classed as good. Roll Eyes

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0

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A 14% success rate is a success?

No 14% Died - that means that the survival (success rate) rate was 86%.

This is in a community where almost everyone is in the highest risk groups for multiple reasons.

The failure here is the irresponsible unvaccinated who allow the virus to survive, mutate and prosper even to spread into these vulnerable communities.

The unvaccinated are allies, co conspirators and accomplices to the virus and the deaths that results.

The unvaxed is the home base where the Corona19 virus thrives mutates and attacks the community from.

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Reply #31 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:50am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:35am:

The failure here is the irresponsible unvaccinated who allow the virus to survive, mutate and prosper even to spread into these vulnerable communities.

The unvaccinated are allies, co conspirators and accomplices to the virus and the deaths that results.

The unvaxed is the home base where the Corona19 virus thrives mutates and attacks the community from.

Dnarever,

QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus [the claim being made by many who ARE already 'vaccinated'],
why must everyone be vaccinated ???

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WWW search.....

No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated

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QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus,
why must everyone be vaccinated ???

The arguments for 'vaccination' [with a treatment which is clearly NOT a vaccine] is a complete nonsense.

If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED.

AND AGAIN.....

QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus,
why must everyone be vaccinated ???

.

At a Vaccine mandate protest, in the U.S., the un-vaccinated protesters argue......

@2.14 min

"What are they so scared of? If they've all got the vaccine, they can't get sick. Right ?"

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SOUTHWEST PILOT: “WHY I’LL WALK”

22 min
First published at 08:04 UTC on October 29th, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NWqQ7lxiP3Tp/

Isn't that how 'being vaccinated' is supposed to work ?

In a sane world, everyone knows that being vaccinated,
means you are 'inoculated' [against a disease] and you can't get sick.

Right ?

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Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED!
Reply #32 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 10:00am

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 4:16pm:

These are NOT vaccines. .....THEY DO NOT PROVIDE THE PROTECTION, WHICH A

REAL VACCINE

WOULD.

Perhaps there's an anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, Christian Scientist, Dutch Reformist, Nazi, Jew, Manson Family, paedophile priest - or any ordinary, everyday nut-job - who'd care to name a
"real vaccine"
?
(from any time in history)

(take your time - though I'm keen to see which lyjng c*nt takes the bait, first)

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Reply #33 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 10:29am

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:18pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:01pm:

The booster will last only till the next election

I wouldn't take anyone's word for that. Wink

"Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw...

Why was the highlighted section omitted....One would expect that if they all had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care it would be relevant to the debate....More cherry picking bullshit from the resident dickhead???

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw...

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Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED!
Reply #34 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 10:52am

John Smith wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 3:06pm:

Yadda wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 2:55pm:

If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED.

You keep repeating this crap despite having previously being told where you are going wrong.

no vaccine is absolute. You can still catch any virus that they have vaccinations out there for even after a vaccine.

She doesn't BELIEVE it
Not for a MOMENT
But once all the OTHER LIES were exposed,

there's not much else left to work with

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Reply #35 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 11:13am

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 10:29am:

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw...

And still more died than the unvaccinated CFR for those age groups. Roll Eyes

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Reply #36 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 11:21am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:35am:

No 14% Died - that means that the survival (success rate) rate was 86%.

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:18pm:

has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated

Maths is not your strong suit is it?

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Reply #37 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 12:27pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:50am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 9:35am:

The failure here is the irresponsible unvaccinated who allow the virus to survive, mutate and prosper even to spread into these vulnerable communities.

The unvaccinated are allies, co conspirators and accomplices to the virus and the deaths that results.

The unvaxed is the home base where the Corona19 virus thrives mutates and attacks the community from.

Dnarever,

QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus [the claim being made by many who ARE already 'vaccinated'],
why must everyone be vaccinated ???

----- >

WWW search.....

No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated

.

QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus,
why must everyone be vaccinated ???

The arguments for 'vaccination' [with a treatment which is clearly NOT a vaccine] is a complete nonsense.

If you are vaccinated, then by definition, YOUR ARE PROTECTED.

AND AGAIN.....

QUESTION;
If vaccination affords almost no protection from the COVID virus,
why must everyone be vaccinated ???

.

At a Vaccine mandate protest, in the U.S., the un-vaccinated protesters argue......

@2.14 min

"What are they so scared of? If they've all got the vaccine, they can't get sick. Right ?"

----- >

SOUTHWEST PILOT: “WHY I’LL WALK”

22 min
First published at 08:04 UTC on October 29th, 2021.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NWqQ7lxiP3Tp/

Isn't that how 'being vaccinated' is supposed to work ?

In a sane world, everyone knows that being vaccinated,
means you are 'inoculated' [against a disease] and you can't get sick.

Right ?

QUESTION;
If

No If the vaccine is very effective.

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Re: The new 'curve', DEMONISE THE UNVACCINATED!
Reply #38 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 3:04pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 10:29am:

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:18pm:

Bias_2012 wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 6:01pm:

The booster will last only till the next election

I wouldn't take anyone's word for that. Wink

"Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw...

Why was the highlighted section omitted....One would expect that if they all had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care it would be relevant to the debate....More cherry picking bullshit from the resident dickhead???

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Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated.

All had underlying health conditions or were in palliative care.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-15/data-shows-fully-vaccinated-deaths-in-nsw...

Being informed and not cherry picking data and then misrepresenting it is beyond some dickheads???

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Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable.

"Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said.

"This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

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Reply #39 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:14pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 3:04pm:

Being informed and not cherry picking data and then misrepresenting it is beyond some dickheads???

And yet then quote a doctor who says "33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died". And then you quibble about 86 percent of double vaccinated dying? Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 3:04pm:

This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19

And still nowhere near the 86 percent of double vaccinated dying. You do have trouble with maths don't you. The 40% of over 90's from ABS includes those with comorbidities and palliative care. Roll Eyes

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Reply #40 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 3:04pm:

Being informed and not cherry picking data and then misrepresenting it is beyond some dickheads???

And yet then quote a doctor who says "33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died". And then you quibble about 86 percent of double vaccinated dying? Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 3:04pm:

This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19

And still nowhere near the 86 percent of double vaccinated dying. You do have trouble with maths don't you. The 40% of over 90's from ABS includes those with comorbidities and palliative care. Roll Eyes

Piss off you dickhead....I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article....You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

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Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable.

"Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said.

"This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

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Reply #41 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:58pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm:

I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article.

So you are saying she can't tell the difference between a 33% death rate and an 86% death rate? Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm:

You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

The data is the data. No misrepresentation.

"This year, it's come down to 14 per cent " I wonder if she included those fully vaxxed deaths or if they happened after the stats were run. Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:15pm

lee wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:58pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm:

I never provided and statistics it was a doctor in the article.

So you are saying she can't tell the difference between a 33% death rate and an 86% death rate? Roll Eyes

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 4:48pm:

You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

The data is the data. No misrepresentation.

"This year, it's come down to 14 per cent " I wonder if she included those fully vaxxed deaths or if they happened after the stats were run. Roll Eyes

You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

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Professor Lee-Fay Low, who specialises in ageing and health at the University of Sydney, said it shows the elderly were still vulnerable.

"Last year, 33 percent of aged care residents that got COVID-19 died," Professor Low said.

"This year, it's come down to 14 per cent but it's still a lot higher than the 0.4 per cent of Australians that die if they get COVID-19."

Dickhead....The two statements are correct when taken in isolation!!!

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"Government data, released to the ABC, has revealed 36 of the 49 aged care residents that died after contracting COVID-19 during NSW's Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated."

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Reply #43 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:35pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:15pm:

You are misrepresenting the data to prove you are a complete dickhead!!!

Poor petal. Do you want the latest ABS data for Case fatality Rate

Over 90 M/F - 50/35.3
80-89 M/F - 34/24
70-79 (mislabeled) M/F - 10/6

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-1

As at 28/10/2021

Now they may not all be aged care but those I reported most definitely were. But that would mean that 36% died who were not in aged care.

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 1^st, 2021 at 5:15pm:

The two statements are correct when taken in isolation!!!

So she makes a statement on the subject of 36 of 49 but addresses a different question entirely. Grin

"What about those 36 deaths"? "Well the rate is down but we don't want to talk about those others". Grin

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Reply #44 - Nov 1^st, 2021 at 6:29pm

lee wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:51pm:

freediver wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 9:40pm:

What conclusion did you draw from the numbers?

A 14% success rate is a success? You really do set a low bar. Grin

It is an appalling failure. It may well have been more successful not to be "vaccinated".

According to the ABS those over 90 had a CFR of 40%, those 70-79 30%. And yet an 86% death rate is classed as good. Roll Eyes

https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/covid-19-mortality-0

Where did you get a 14% success rate from?

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