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Re: Socialism
Reply #180 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:31pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:25pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:17am:

You are a robotic propagandist with no real understanding of anything, just pre-prepared drivel.

The countries with the highest levels of soft drink per capita consumption in 2019 were Japan (116 kg per person), Pakistan (62 kg per person) and China (61 kg per person).

Er... US global hegemony since WW2 is responsible for those disastrous figures, which just show how successful the US has been in exporting its greed-driven junk consumerism all around the world. Japan of course, post WW2, is little more than a US colony.

You were saying something about understanding.....?

Japan, 62 kg/person = greed driven US colonial junk consumerism
China, 61 kg/person = glorious socialist Chairman Xi Pooh resistance to greed driven junk US consumerism

WHat a difference 1 kg/person makes, an ENOURMOUS difference LOST ON the running dogs of greed driven US hegemonic warmongering greedy hyper oppressive poverty and greed mongering and ultra capitalist greed and hyper Zzzzzzzz......

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75037 Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #181 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:08pm i haven't been keeping up with this thread and I don't want to read it all Can someone tell me, has Sore end figured out what socialism is yet?
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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #182 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:09pm John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:08pm: i haven't been keeping up with this thread and I don't want to read it all Can someone tell me, has Sore end figured out what socialism is yet? 61 kg.
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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75037 Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #183 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:19pm NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:09pm: John Smith wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:08pm: i haven't been keeping up with this thread and I don't want to read it all Can someone tell me, has Sore end figured out what socialism is yet? 61 kg. I'll come back in another week then ... see if he's figured it out by then
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Re: Socialism
Reply #184 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 7:24am:

Ahhh Robert Owen. My Marxist Economics Lecturer introduced us to him.

I'm waiting for someone....anyone really ... to point out the culmination of the Robert Owen experiment.

It proved to be a big failure.

The entire organisation went bankrupt.

Boom 💥

Next?

Next is the search for an economy that works for all which is a work in progress.

Unfortunately for your current market-economy orthodoxy, its inadequacies remain a pressing problem which people are demanding must be solved. The 'dismal science' is what we make it; of course self-interest will always be an obstacle to improving the market economy so that it works for all, but the solution will always continue to be sought....which is what politics is all about.

Owen was on the right side of the search, unlike ideologues for the status quo.

You do realise that you've just admitted that socialism has indeed failed 😂🤣😆

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59075 Here Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #185 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:27pm Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:57pm: Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:39am: I just don't get it? There has not been a genuine socialist in the politics of a major western nation in at least 70 years. Why all the fuss about nothing ? You can't see the fuss in what you've just stated? No.
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Re: Socialism
Reply #186 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:07pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

I just don't get it?

There has not been a genuine socialist in the politics of a major western nation in at least 70 years.

Why all the fuss about nothing ?

You can't see the fuss in what you've just stated?

No.

Then you will never see it. Not even after another 70 years has passed.

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Re: Socialism
Reply #187 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:43pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

I just don't get it?

There has not been a genuine socialist in the politics of a major western nation in at least 70 years.

Why all the fuss about nothing ?

You can't see the fuss in what you've just stated?

No.

Er.. open ze eyez, schatzy...

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Re: Socialism
Reply #188 - Nov 26^th, 2021 at 1:01pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:22pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 7:24am:

Ahhh Robert Owen. My Marxist Economics Lecturer introduced us to him.

I'm waiting for someone....anyone really ... to point out the culmination of the Robert Owen experiment.

It proved to be a big failure.

The entire organisation went bankrupt.

Boom 💥

Next?

Next is the search for an economy that works for all which is a work in progress.

Unfortunately for your current market-economy orthodoxy, its inadequacies remain a pressing problem which people are demanding must be solved. The 'dismal science' is what we make it; of course self-interest will always be an obstacle to improving the market economy so that it works for all, but the solution will always continue to be sought....which is what politics is all about.

Owen was on the right side of the search, unlike ideologues for the status quo.

You do realise that you've just admitted that socialism has indeed failed 😂🤣😆

And do you realize, Lisa that you have yet to explain WHY Owen's 'Utopian' communities failed? And given that you claim to have studied the topic, it is rather disingenuous of you to withhold the reasoning behind your claim.

But never fear, The Credible Poster is here to do what Lisa cant or wont!

You see, it all comes down to the philosophy of 'individualism' which dominates Western culture.

We Westerners want to explore, as individuals our own unique role in society, rather than have that decided for us by Utopian overlords.

Of course there is so much more to say, as Lisa would be aware... So I'll let Lisa pick up the mantel, so that she may redeem herself from her disingenuous contribution.

Over to you Lisa...

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Reply #189 - Nov 26^th, 2021 at 1:37pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:55pm:

Owen was on the left side of the search and it proved to be disastrous. A complete and utter failure in fact.

To clarify; Owen was a seeker of a functional, just, economy that works for all, as opposed to the poverty ravaged, unjust nightmare characterizing the 'invisible hand' market economy of his time.

Interestingly, you are in the absurd situation of branding the search itself as 'socialist'.

Unless you can show me evidence of a search from the Right....

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Reply #190 - Nov 26^th, 2021 at 2:02pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

I just don't get it?

There has not been a genuine socialist in the politics of a major western nation in at least 70 years.

Why all the fuss about nothing ?

You can't see the fuss in what you've just stated?

No.

Then you will never see it. Not even after another 70 years has passed.

Yes - Free of your insane paranoia about nothing.

Not a bad thing.

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Re: Socialism
Reply #192 - Nov 26^th, 2021 at 2:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 26^th, 2021 at 1:37pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:55pm:

Owen was on the left side of the search and it proved to be disastrous. A complete and utter failure in fact.

To clarify; Owen was a seeker of a functional, just, economy that works for all, as opposed to the poverty ravaged, unjust nightmare characterizing the 'invisible hand' market economy of his time.

But didn't live to see Western capitalist welfare states that surpassed even his wilder dreams without actually turning socialist. How good is that?!?!

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Re: Socialism
Reply #193 - Nov 26^th, 2021 at 3:48pm

lol market capitalism is awesome

look how much better your phone, your tv, your car, your fridge is compared to 20 years ago.

thats capitalism baby

you have to provide great services and products or you disappear.

big government (which is the problem) does not have to provide great service at all.

and the results are there for all to see

crap schools, crap emergency departments, crap public transport, crap roads (apart from the awesome toll roads).

the arguement isnt socialism v capitalism

it is big government v the private sector.

and the private sector absolutely shiiits on government in any competition.

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Re: Socialism
Reply #194 - Nov 26^th, 2021 at 6:42pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 26^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:07pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:27pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 1:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:39am:

I just don't get it?

There has not been a genuine socialist in the politics of a major western nation in at least 70 years.

Why all the fuss about nothing ?

You can't see the fuss in what you've just stated?

No.

Then you will never see it. Not even after another 70 years has passed.

Yes - Free of your insane paranoia about nothing.

Not a bad thing.

Your ignorance is your bliss then.

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