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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47525 Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #90 - Nov 12^th, 2021 at 9:59am Bolivians Organize National Strike Against Socialism https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2021/11/11/bolivians-organize-national-strike-against-socialism/
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Reply #91 - Nov 12^th, 2021 at 10:39pm

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2021 at 9:59am:

Bolivians Organize National Strike Against Socialism
https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2021/11/11/bolivians-organize-national-strike-against-socialism/

Breitbart news? OMG.....

Meanwhile you are apparently content with entrenched poverty and homelessness in OZ. Your-satisfaction with the status quo in Oz is sickening, as if your ideological attack on "socialism" will achieve anything.

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Reply #92 - Nov 12^th, 2021 at 10:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 12^th, 2021 at 10:39pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2021 at 9:59am:

Bolivians Organize National Strike Against Socialism
https://www.breitbart.com/latin-america/2021/11/11/bolivians-organize-national-strike-against-socialism/

Breitbart news? OMG.....

Meanwhile you are apparently content with entrenched poverty and homelessness in OZ. Your-satisfaction with the status quo in Oz is sickening, as if your ideological attack on "socialism" will achieve anything.

Toooo fccn Chinese, that shrieking.
Shove it up your duck.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13096 Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #93 - Nov 12^th, 2021 at 11:14pm Frank wrote on Nov 12^th, 2021 at 10:42pm: Toooo fccn Chinese, that shrieking. Shove it up your duck. Ladies and gentlemen, an example of how a RW ideologue reacts when invited to face the reality of entrenched poverty in his own nation.....
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Dnarever Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 59082 Here Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #94 - Nov 13^th, 2021 at 7:06pm Amazing how important socialism is to the right when there has not been a prominent socialist present in over 80 years. In fact the biggest threat from socialism is the rights socialism for the wealthy which is alive, well and supported by the anti socialists.
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Reply #95 - Nov 14^th, 2021 at 9:56am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 13^th, 2021 at 7:06pm:

Amazing how important socialism is to the right when there has not been a prominent socialist present in over 80 years.

In fact the biggest threat from socialism is the rights socialism for the wealthy which is alive, well and supported by the anti socialists.

What IS socialism to your mind, ducky? Are you able to articulate it? Dare you?

None of thd other pro-socialism bozos here are willing or able to articulate their understanding (?) of socialism. They think it just means 'noice'.

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Reply #96 - Nov 15^th, 2021 at 12:28pm

Frank wrote on Nov 14^th, 2021 at 9:56am:

What IS socialism to your mind, ducky? Are you able to articulate it? Dare you?

None of thd other pro-socialism bozos here are willing or able to articulate their understanding (?) of socialism. They think it just means 'noice'.

A bit rich coming from you, when my simple question about entrenched poverty elicited a vacuous and vicious ad hominen attack.

Would YOU care to define 'socialism'? And what relevance does your definition have to modern politics, eg in the US where Bernie Sanders defines himself as a 'democratic socialist'?

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 13096 Gender:	Re: Socialism Reply #97 - Nov 15^th, 2021 at 2:12pm Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:49pm: Socialism is an a system of ideas by hypocritical opportunists to beguile the ignorant and the resentful. Thanks for YOUR definition. Very enlightening. And you blame entrenched poverty amid extreme wealth on .....who?
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Reply #98 - Nov 15^th, 2021 at 4:10pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Nov 15^th, 2021 at 2:12pm:

Frank wrote on Oct 31^st, 2021 at 8:49pm:

Socialism is an a system of ideas by hypocritical opportunists to beguile the ignorant and the resentful.

Thanks for YOUR definition. Very enlightening.

And you blame entrenched poverty amid extreme wealth on .....who?

Ideologues like you. Who else?
Socialist China has twice the number of billionaires than in the US.Urban households’ per capita income was 29,831 yuan – almost $4,500 a year = $12 a day.
Rural households have a per capita income of only 9,892 yuan – about $4 dollars a day.

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Reply #99 - Nov 15^th, 2021 at 5:39pm

... then you need first to determine and substantiate whether or not 'capitalism' is the opposite of socialism, and then lay out a series of terms to define the various kinds of capitalism....

Robber Baron Capitalism is a bit hard on the tongue...
Smash n' Grab also...
Gordon Gecko... well - it alliterates.....

For every one of the multiple kinds of 'socialism', there is likely a form of 'capitalism' that may be its near opposite..... but nothing is fixed....

'bozos', eh - well - I guess that leaves me out since I am seeking to establish common language so we can all be on the same page... pure rational thinking that....

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Reply #100 - Nov 15^th, 2021 at 6:39pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 15^th, 2021 at 5:39pm:

... then you need first to determine and substantiate whether or not 'capitalism' is the opposite of socialism, and then lay out a series of terms to define the various kinds of capitalism....

Robber Baron Capitalism is a bit hard on the tongue...
Smash n' Grab also...
Gordon Gecko... well - it alliterates.....

For every one of the multiple kinds of 'socialism', there is likely a form of 'capitalism' that may be its near opposite..... but nothing is fixed....

'bozos', eh - well - I guess that leaves me out since I am seeking to establish common language so we can all be on the same page... pure rational thinking that....

You are master of talking PAST the point.

You are calling for a definition and common language but never offer any clarity or definition, only multiply your random half made-up, half-remembered concepts that need definition themselves. You have even opened up the territory of 'socialism' and 'capitalism'. so anything is like anything else and so you have escaped all need for clarifying what YOU actually mean by two little Bwianesque quotation marks.
So bozos is correct.

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Reply #101 - Nov 15^th, 2021 at 10:36pm

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 7:50pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 5:56pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 4:19pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 2:19pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 10:52am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 11^th, 2021 at 9:54am:

Socialism as we know it is a mix of capitalism and absolute socialism - even China while being ostensibly communist, has a massive capitalist component. Even North Korea, held up as the example of a despotic socialist state, is actually a cartel-run socio-capitalist nation that uses capitalist enterprise to further itself when it feels it suits.

What is needed here, as I suggested a long time ago in this discussion, is a term that adequately describes Extreme Socialism, so that the discussion could be freed up. Communism as a term has lost its balls... doesn't have the bite it once did ..... we need a new one.

If we can start there, we can all be on the same page.

I dunno..... extreme socialist nations are essentially Fascist in action.... controlled by a (self-appointed) elite for essentially their benefit... Fascialism?

And what is fascism, then? Capitalism?
Extreme?

Just adding more vague, undefined notions to the salad.

Just trying to establish common terms we can all use on the same page.... only suggestions.

Tossing in more and more undefined terms is establishing nothing other than your confusion which we are not going to have in common.

"Socialism is a mix of capitalism and absolute socialism". Shocked

Absolute socialism - what is that?? Socio-capitalism?? Despotic socialist state ( as if there was any other kind)?? Sounds like ideas you invented and only you know (??) the meaning of.

That's where YOU are confused.. Sweden and a few other countries are 'socialist - nobody would call them despotic states.

Sweden, Denmark, Norway are - ready? are you sitting down? - constitutional monarchies. As are The Netherlands, Belgium, UK. None of them are socialist countries.

You are confusing social welfare, social democratic parties, social safety net etc with socialism.

These countries would best be described as having a social democratic system of government, as does Australia.

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Reply #102 - Nov 16^th, 2021 at 9:36am

rhino wrote on Nov 15^th, 2021 at 10:36pm: