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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #105 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:07am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 10:39pm:
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Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm:
Er... no.  A headstone.

Yep... Know all about 'Don't try'

Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him.

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But you haven't moved on.


Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more.

How about you? Pissing on nightly.


Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary.
I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them.

What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what?



Hush - but that's very kind of you... unlike you and certain others, I KNOW I am not omniscient and perfect.... that kind of thinking is reserved for Mullahs who act totally on the word of Allah as presented by a prophet, and who actually believe that this is immaculate and beyond question.

This leads to people being sent to the chopping block on the reasoning that if wrong is done to them here, Allah will rectify it in Paradise...

Even the Catholic Church has abandoned the concept of Papal Infallibility.... yet some here persist with stating adamantly they are infallible.....

Oh, to be so immaculately perfect just one day in my life......

Thing is - nobody is that perfect..... not even police forces who play with a loaded deck and tame judiciary.

The work is hard, but slowly we, the real people, will bring down the hubrists.

Which side are you on, Frank?  Sometimes, like LTYC, you are on the money... but let it not go to your head.



It's play. Banter. Caring, nurturing bollocking.
What are you doing here?

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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #106 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:36am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 7:04am:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 10:39pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:44pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:32pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:28pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:21pm:
Frank wrote on Nov 4th, 2021 at 9:18pm:
Er... no.  A headstone.

Yep... Know all about 'Don't try'

Discovered Bukowski when I was young enough to have the balls to drink like him.

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx6IWHfPR48

But you haven't moved on.


Well, I don't have the balls to drink like him no more.

How about you? Pissing on nightly.


Sorta - reading by day, pissing all over you lot in the evenin'.  It's my opportunity to mix with the know-fcc-all wanna-be 'intellects' who do try despite advice to the contrary.
I see it as educative. Most of you don't learn - actively resist and despise learning -  but the better ones do. I am doing it for them.

What the hell are YOU doing? Spouting low-grade resentment crap and - what?


Which side are you on, Frank?  Sometimes, like LTYC, you are on the money... but let it not go to your head.

There have been 2820274 posts within 95316 topics at this forum.

Reading them over the years, a significant percentage of them are from a certain clique, bitching and getting even with each other over personal information disclosed years ago, which they subsequently made public.



That's just what people are like
What U resist persists

It's funny that Peterson who is what I would call a life coach
Is a bit negative and crabby

The life coaches of old were all upbeat and enthusiastic

I consider this a sign of the times
We have elevated victimhood to a currency
We have elevated the expression of negative emotions and feelings as virtues

Possibly Jordan is just vibing with the prevailing mood in the culture

I think what is fascinating is that the self-proclaimed morally superior left
Have always felt morally superior because they were kind and compassionate to people who are not doing well


This has been flipped on its head

Probably no group is doing worse then lower class white Urban and rural males
They are all addicted to various drugs
They have little in the way of career prospects

If ever there was a group that deserved compassion it is this
What Hillary Clinton called
Bag of deplorables

The fact that nearly every lefty seems to think it is a good idea
To really express their hatred and cruelty towards this very large cohort
Shows the insanity of the left

When you punch down on a group who aren't doing well
Say the way people punch down on African Americans prior to the 1960s
Of course you are going to get a lot of angry people who are going to rise up
And challenge you

With the current culture firmly in the grasp of the lefty intellectual elite
And with them punching down on literally tens of millions of disturbed nihilistic angry and often very well armed disengaged white deplorables

It's not rocket science to know this is going to end very very very badly
Personally I think that's what the left want
They were getting quite a hard-on
When they watched the storming of the capital
That was just a pretext of what is probably coming
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #107 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:39am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:36am:
That's just what people are like
What U resist persists

It's funny that Peterson who is what I would call a life coach
Is a bit negative and crabby

The life coaches of old were all upbeat and enthusiastic

I consider this a sign of the times
We have elevated victimhood to a currency
We have elevated the expression of negative emotions and feelings as virtues

Possibly Jordan is just vibing with the prevailing mood in the culture

I think what is fascinating is that the self-proclaimed morally superior left
Have always felt morally superior because they were kind and compassionate to people who are not doing well


This has been flipped on its head

Probably no group is doing worse then lower class white Urban and rural males
They are all addicted to various drugs
They have little in the way of career prospects

If ever there was a group that deserved compassion it is this
What Hillary Clinton called
Bag of deplorables

The fact that nearly every lefty seems to think it is a good idea
To really express their hatred and cruelty towards this very large cohort
Shows the insanity of the left

When you punch down on a group who aren't doing well
Say the way people punch down on African Americans prior to the 1960s
Of course you are going to get a lot of angry people who are going to rise up
And challenge you

With the current culture firmly in the grasp of the lefty intellectual elite
And with them punching down on literally tens of millions of disturbed nihilistic angry and often very well armed disengaged white deplorables

It's not rocket science to know this is going to end very very very badly
Personally I think that's what the left want
They were getting quite a hard-on
When they watched the storming of the capital
That was just a pretext of what is probably coming

Or he could being suffering from a psychosis.
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #108 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am
 
No psychosis. That's nonsense.


And Petersen is not ralking to the deplorables, the underclass. They wouldn't undersand him. His primary audience is men at university and graduates. He is drawing from high art, literature, philosophy, psychoanalysis. 

I think that is his significance - a large number of educated young people, mainly young men, experiencing intellectual, cultural Pauline turns as they hear him and are discovering the treasures and wisdom of their own culture which has been kept from them by 'progressive', lefty stupification throughout their schooling.





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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #109 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:24am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am:
No psychosis. That's nonsense.


And Petersen is not ralking to the deplorables, the underclass. They wouldn't undersand him. His primary audience is men at university and graduates. He is drawing from high art, literature, philosophy, psychoanalysis. 

I think that is his significance - a large number of educated young people, mainly young men, experiencing intellectual, cultural Pauline turns as they hear him and are discovering the treasures and wisdom of their own culture which has been kept from them by 'progressive', lefty stupification throughout their schooling.








Yes Frank that is a well-thought-out argument
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Reply #110 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am:
No psychosis. That's nonsense.

He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic.

This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia.

He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga.

He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #111 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am:
No psychosis. That's nonsense.

He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic.

This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia.

He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga.

He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.

Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.


He has been too brainy and anxious and high-strung and very importantly, super self-aware (is a prof of psychology and a clinical psychologist), and then suddenly, in 2016,  he was in the middle of a big controversy centering on intellectual principles and his stance, unexpectedly, made him world-famous. Without that controversy over pronouns he would still be as unknown outside Toronto University as he was before it.  So, we can thank the trannies for him.

No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic,  mentally ill. It's  a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.


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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #112 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:02am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am:
No psychosis. That's nonsense.

He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic.

This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia.

He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga.

He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.

Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.

The diagnosis of schizophrenia was made by qualified psychiatrists of his own choosing.

A peer psychologist he had a long-form discussion with suggested he had schizotypal personality traits, to which Peterson did not respond.

In his own words, from his third book, an excerpt from his memory of his eastern European and Russian adventure:

    On the 5th of February 2020, I awoke in an intensive care ward in, of all places, Moscow.

    I had 6-inch tethers attaching me to the sides of the bed because, in my unconscious state, I had been agitated enough to try to remove the catheters from my arm and leave the ICU.

    I was confused and frustrated, not knowing where I was, surrounded by people speaking a foreign language and, in the absence of my daughter, Mikhaila and her husband Andre, who were restricted to short visiting hours, and did not have permission to be there with me at my moment of wakening.

    I was angry, too, about being there and lunged at my daughter when she did visit several hours later.

    I felt betrayed, although that was the furthest from the truth.

    I did not, and still do not, have any memory of anything that happened to me during the 4 weeks in Russia preceding that and very little between those weeks and my having entered a hospital in Toronto in mid-December.

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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #113 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:30am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:02am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am:
No psychosis. That's nonsense.

He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic.

This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia.

He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga.

He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.

Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.

The diagnosis of schizophrenia was made by qualified psychiatrists of his own choosing.

A peer psychologist he had a long-form discussion with suggested he had schizotypal personality traits, to which Peterson did not respond.



Two different things.

Who was the psychiatrist? Did he diagnose by watching his vids at the request of some media outlet? That's my hunch.


'schizotypal personality traits' - big catch-all, that. We all have traits. But being a popular, respected uni professor and researcher hardly makes him an awkward, humourless loner who avoids other people due to inability to relate to others. Also, schizophrenia, like psychosis, is usually  a slow, early onset deterioration. So there is a long way from traits, which we all have, to schizophrenia or psychosis.

In any case, if you have any actual counter-arguments to what he IS saying, that would make for a more interesting discussion than you keep saying he is schizophrenic and psychotic and me refuting you.






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Reply #114 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:37am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:30am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:02am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am:
No psychosis. That's nonsense.

He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic.

This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia.

He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga.

He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.

Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.

The diagnosis of schizophrenia was made by qualified psychiatrists of his own choosing.

A peer psychologist he had a long-form discussion with suggested he had schizotypal personality traits, to which Peterson did not respond.



Two different things.

Who was the psychiatrist? Did he diagnose by watching his vids at the request of some media outlet? That's my hunch.

The Petersons have never released the names of the psychiatrists, but they have disclosed that they are practising in the north-east US and are Americans.

He was diagnosed after having been admitted to a hospital in the US.
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Reply #115 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:42am
 
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:29am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:14am:
No psychosis. That's nonsense.

He's already endured one psychotic episode last year. Clinicians he sought in the US diagnosed him as schizophrenic.

This was rejected by his daughter who took him on a wild ride for months through eastern Europe and Russia seeking a cure for him, during which he also contracted covid in Serbia.

He was in a psychotic delirium for most of it and has little memory of the whole saga.

He wrote about what he remembers of it in his third book.

Yes, he had health problems, including depression and benzos dependency and associated troubles. But psychosis is a different cluster of problems, a lot more complex, with a significantly earlier and gradual onset.  The schizophrenia 'diagnosis' is just an extension of the same nonsense as his supposed psychosis.
No, completely incorrect. Psychotic episodes quite often   occur in schizophrenics. Comorbidity including psychosis is extremely common in schizophrenics.  In that video he is clearly suffering a psychotic episode to my eyes.

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No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic,  mentally ill. It's  a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.


Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #116 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:45am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:36am:
That's just what people are like
What U resist persists

It's funny that Peterson who is what I would call a life coach
Is a bit negative and crabby

The life coaches of old were all upbeat and enthusiastic

I consider this a sign of the times
We have elevated victimhood to a currency
We have elevated the expression of negative emotions and feelings as virtues

Possibly Jordan is just vibing with the prevailing mood in the culture

I think what is fascinating is that the self-proclaimed morally superior left
Have always felt morally superior because they were kind and compassionate to people who are not doing well


This has been flipped on its head

Probably no group is doing worse then lower class white Urban and rural males
They are all addicted to various drugs
They have little in the way of career prospects

If ever there was a group that deserved compassion it is this
What Hillary Clinton called
Bag of deplorables

The fact that nearly every lefty seems to think it is a good idea
To really express their hatred and cruelty towards this very large cohort
Shows the insanity of the left

When you punch down on a group who aren't doing well
Say the way people punch down on African Americans prior to the 1960s
Of course you are going to get a lot of angry people who are going to rise up
And challenge you

With the current culture firmly in the grasp of the lefty intellectual elite
And with them punching down on literally tens of millions of disturbed nihilistic angry and often very well armed disengaged white deplorables

It's not rocket science to know this is going to end very very very badly
Personally I think that's what the left want
They were getting quite a hard-on
When they watched the storming of the capital
That was just a pretext of what is probably coming


Much truth in what you post.  Do you see any fundamental differences between 'created' nihilistics and nihilistics born and bred?  If the former ('created') label applies to any group - is it not meet for a society governed by the loving social science elite to deconstruct this false paradigm that created it and rebuild it so as to not create nihilists as well as uncreate those it has created?

Is it not pure discrimination NOT to do so?

Perhaps just compensation is due..... for harm done.....

Truly there is much water to travel under the bridge yet... and the flow has merely begun and awaits the ice melt of the Masculine Spring...
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #117 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 12:56pm
 
Frank wrote on Nov 3rd, 2021 at 7:47pm:
You carp and sneer.

That's the domain of Smiff, gweggy, Bwian et al.

Rise above, you are more intelligent than that.

Aren't you?  Prove me wrong.




Not often that I agree with Frank.
North... you really are too smart for this!
If you have an issue with what he is saying, argue that, instead of questioning his sanity! Roll Eyes

Now back to reading this thread...
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Reply #118 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:11pm
 
Nom de Plume wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 12:56pm:
If you have an issue with what he is saying, argue that, instead of questioning his sanity! Roll Eyes

That'd be his sobriety I'm pisstaking on, not his sanity.
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Reply #119 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 1:14pm
 
rhino wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 11:42am:
Frank wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 10:57am:
No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic,  mentally ill. It's  a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.


Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Unio...
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