Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:14pm:

Peterson was not diagnosed as schizophrenic in Russia or anywhere in eastern Europe.

He was diagnosed in the US by American psychiatrists.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:11pm:


You are getting slippery now, extrapolating from a 5 minute video comparing Trudeau to Pinocchio to 'pisstaking on his sobriety', but never once actually addressing any points he has ever made.  It's like Bbwian without the tutting eyerolls.

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:28pm:

Ah, I thought she was referring to my comment to you.

OK.

The reason for my posting Peterson's clip in this thread and in the General Forum (As opposed to Environment) is to discuss whether Peterson is suffering another psychotic episode.

I am well familiar with his Pinocchio references, as he uses it often and often out of the blue with regard to the conversation he is having.

In his latest book, one of the illustrations he uses is of Geppetto carving Pinocchio.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:


You keep saying that, but it has no explanatory force. In any case, rhino is taking issue with my assertion that  the soviets politicised psychiatry.  So my link is to respond to that.
I think since 1992 the Soviet mentality has found a new home on Americal and Western campuses and media.  Now its  called woke cancel culture or social justice but it's a similar yin against thought-criminals.

Psychiatry is not an apolitical, objective endeavour. Brain biochemistry is not psychiatry. I have no disagreement about Peterson's struggles on a biochemical level, nor would he. But schizophrenia and psychosis are going too far and are bandied about for no reason other than to slyly discredit him without needing to prove him wrong on any point.


(Adam Phillips is good on psychiatry as literature.)

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:

Yes, well, I can only provide the information Peterson, himself, has revealed and which has been publicly corroborated and clarified by his daughter.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:00pm:


Sounds like you've invested more time into him than I but what you described sounds ideal. I think it's fair to say he has the magnetism of a cult leader, yet his message is absolutely spot on. I'm yet to read a decent critique of any one of his 12 rules for life, apart from seriously twisted haters.

    "Stand up straight with your shoulders back."
    "Treat yourself like you are someone you are responsible for helping."
    "Make friends with people who want the best for you."
    "Compare yourself to who you were yesterday, not to who someone else is          today."
    "Do not let your children do anything that makes you dislike them."
    "Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world."
    "Pursue what is meaningful (not what is expedient)."
    "Tell the truth — or, at least, don’t lie."
    "Assume that the person you are listening to might know something you don’t."
    "Be precise in your speech."
    "Do not bother children when they are skate-boarding."
    "Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street."

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:13pm:



.

thats an interesting read frank.

the serious types like yourself and jordan and sam harris and barnaby joyce and tony abbott and john anderson read that sort of garbage and you try to present reasoned arguements against it.

this simply doesnt work.

the left have won, as soon as you engage in any discourse on such crap.

the approach of the Donald is the only way to deal with such utter nonsense.

tool the left
school the left
be slippery like an eel
laugh at the left
confuse them with double speak
they are not to be reasoned with because they are not reasonable people.

this is the paradigm shift.

bannon got it
andrew briebart got it
donald got it
de turte got it
ben shapiro got it
putin got it.
dave chappelle got it
the days of discourse and consensus are over.

do you really think there is any way that you could change the opinion of gweggy, marla , smithy, ltyc, bwian or
AOC, racheal maddow, pelosi, don lemmon, penny wong, sarah hansen young, adam bandt.

it will never ever ever ever happen.

all that is left is to laugh at them and that may just be effective

Aqua, you need to add Bari Weiss to your list. She's fast becoming one of my fav people.

Have a listen to her podcast with Rob Henderson on “Luxury Beliefs.”

"Defund the police" or "healthy at every size" or "marriage is just an oppressive institution of the patriarchy" - these are just a few of the ideas that are becoming common doctrine among American elites. And Rob Henderson has described these new orthodoxies as “Luxury Beliefs.”

He says, much like second homes on the beach or Bentleys, luxury beliefs are thoughts that can only be afforded by people whose wealth shields them from the very harm those beliefs can cause to the rest of us. Henderson, a graduate of Yale and a PhD student at Cambridge, should have been susceptible to the very ideas he now criticizes. But the reason he remained immune to the groupthink of academia is because he was, in many ways, an outsider looking in. He grew up in a kind of chaos and suffering that most people shouting about white privilege and the evils of the musical Hamilton could never understand. And that’s why he is able to so accurately observe the indulgence and hypocrisy of our elite class, and call it out for what it is: a luxury.

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/how-luxury-beliefs-hurt-the-rest-of-us/id1...