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Reply #135 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:33pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:17pm:

Sounds like you've invested more time into him than I but what you described sounds ideal. I think it's fair to say he has the magnetism of a cult leader, yet his message is absolutely spot on. I'm yet to read a decent critique of any one of his 12 rules for life, apart from seriously twisted haters.

Yes, I am intrigued by cult-like figures.

Fortunately, I don't fall under their spell... I think it requires a certain mindset to do so, being: an extreme (likely uncontrollable) capacity to suspend incredulity.

His haters have scoured his hundreds of hours of publicly available uploaded lectures looking for examples of where he mistreated students and found nothing. Apparently some have advertised for ex-students to report tales of woe; they have received none. According to Peterson, himself, they went after his financial records to see if there were any irregularities; I'm guessing none was found.

As for his being a cult leader, he has empathically denied he is a cult leader, nor wants to be one.

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Reply #136 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:17pm:

Sounds like you've invested more time into him than I but what you described sounds ideal. I think it's fair to say he has the magnetism of a cult leader, yet his message is absolutely spot on. I'm yet to read a decent critique of any one of his 12 rules for life, apart from seriously twisted haters.

Yes, I am intrigued by cult-like figures.

Fortunately, I don't fall under their spell... I think it requires a certain mindset to do so, being: an extreme (likely uncontrollable) capacity to suspend incredulity.

His haters have scoured his hundreds of hours of publicly available uploaded lectures looking for examples of where he mistreated students and found nothing. Apparently some have advertised for ex-students to report tales of woe; they have received none. According to Peterson, himself, they went after his financial records to see if there were any irregularities; I'm guessing none was found.

As for his being a cult leader, he has empathically denied he is a cult leader, nor wants to be one.

I'm immune.
I once went to the service of a visiting American charismatic preacher (it was a hot girl WAY above my normal level thing, and yes it was worth it) and I saw all these people passing out when he touched their heads. The air was electric and you could feel the group energy.
I sat back and thought, oh OK, this is no different to a footy game when life long fans work themselves into a frenzy.

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Reply #137 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:43pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:14pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:42am:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:57am:

No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic, mentally ill. It's a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.

Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Unio...

Peterson was not diagnosed as schizophrenic in Russia or anywhere in eastern Europe.

He was diagnosed in the US by American psychiatrists.

You keep saying that, but it has no explanatory force.

Yes, well, I can only provide the information Peterson, himself, has revealed and which has been publicly corroborated and clarified by his daughter.

That still does not prove that Peterson was/ is in the midst of an 'episode' when producing, editing and publishing that theological piece.

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Reply #138 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:43pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Aqua, you need to add Bari Weiss to your list. She's fast becoming one of my fav people.

Have a listen to her podcast with Rob Henderson on “Luxury Beliefs.”

"Defund the police" or "healthy at every size" or "marriage is just an oppressive institution of the patriarchy" - these are just a few of the ideas that are becoming common doctrine among American elites. And Rob Henderson has described these new orthodoxies as “Luxury Beliefs.”

He says, much like second homes on the beach or Bentleys, luxury beliefs are thoughts that can only be afforded by people whose wealth shields them from the very harm those beliefs can cause to the rest of us. Henderson, a graduate of Yale and a PhD student at Cambridge, should have been susceptible to the very ideas he now criticizes. But the reason he remained immune to the groupthink of academia is because he was, in many ways, an outsider looking in. He grew up in a kind of chaos and suffering that most people shouting about white privilege and the evils of the musical Hamilton could never understand. And that’s why he is able to so accurately observe the indulgence and hypocrisy of our elite class, and call it out for what it is: a luxury.

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/how-luxury-beliefs-hurt-the-rest-of-us/id1...

yes i have seen her,

very smart lady.

but gordon.

the rights problem is the left propose garbage and then the right try to take "said garbage' seriously and let it get under their skin.

this legitimises it.

if you are an adult and a toddler proposes that they be given a meal of fairy floss , you dont argue with them to try to establish a rational plan.
you laugh it off and ignore them

i think chappelle may provide the route forward.

laugh hard and dont apologise

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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #139 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:47pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:42pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:33pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:17pm:

Sounds like you've invested more time into him than I but what you described sounds ideal. I think it's fair to say he has the magnetism of a cult leader, yet his message is absolutely spot on. I'm yet to read a decent critique of any one of his 12 rules for life, apart from seriously twisted haters.

Yes, I am intrigued by cult-like figures.

Fortunately, I don't fall under their spell... I think it requires a certain mindset to do so, being: an extreme (likely uncontrollable) capacity to suspend incredulity.

His haters have scoured his hundreds of hours of publicly available uploaded lectures looking for examples of where he mistreated students and found nothing. Apparently some have advertised for ex-students to report tales of woe; they have received none. According to Peterson, himself, they went after his financial records to see if there were any irregularities; I'm guessing none was found.

As for his being a cult leader, he has empathically denied he is a cult leader, nor wants to be one.

I'm immune.
I once went to the service of a visiting American charismatic preacher (it was a hot girl WAY above my normal level thing, and yes it was worth it) and I saw all these people passing out when he touched their heads. The air was electric and you could feel the group energy.
I sat back and thought, oh OK, this is no different to a footy game when life long fans work themselves into a frenzy.

Yes... The gargantuan power of group cohesion can even pull those into the vortex, like a riptide, who may be only on the edge of instinctively hardcore sceptical.

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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #140 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:51pm

Nom de Plume wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:14pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:42am:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:57am:

No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic, mentally ill. It's a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.

Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Unio...

Peterson was not diagnosed as schizophrenic in Russia or anywhere in eastern Europe.

He was diagnosed in the US by American psychiatrists.

You keep saying that, but it has no explanatory force.

Yes, well, I can only provide the information Peterson, himself, has revealed and which has been publicly corroborated and clarified by his daughter.

That still does not prove that Peterson was/ is in the midst of an 'episode' when producing, editing and publishing that theological piece.

Hence the question mark in the subject line.

I have watched Peterson recover this year and he seemed to be progressing well, but those two clips show someone tortured. His face looks like he's in agony.

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Reply #141 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:41pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:51pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:14pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:42am:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:57am:

No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic, mentally ill. It's a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.

Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Unio...

Peterson was not diagnosed as schizophrenic in Russia or anywhere in eastern Europe.

He was diagnosed in the US by American psychiatrists.

You keep saying that, but it has no explanatory force.

Yes, well, I can only provide the information Peterson, himself, has revealed and which has been publicly corroborated and clarified by his daughter.

That still does not prove that Peterson was/ is in the midst of an 'episode' when producing, editing and publishing that theological piece.

Hence the question mark in the subject line.

That a gweggy/Bbbwian tut tut eyeroll question mark - a dishonest implication.
Not a genuine question but a judgement that is not honest about itself.

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Reply #142 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:48pm

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:41pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:51pm:

Nom de Plume wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:43pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 2:02pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:15pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 1:14pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 11:42am:

Frank wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 10:57am:

No psychosis, no schizophrenia. I am sure it is not lost on him, a great student of Solzhenitsyn, that the Soviets labelled disidents psychotic, schizophrenic, mentally ill. It's a lot easier than to be actually countering arguments with reason. I think you have jumped to that easy, lazy Soviet stance and sticking with it.

Heres what i think Frank, you dont know what you are talking about.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_abuse_of_psychiatry_in_the_Soviet_Unio...

Peterson was not diagnosed as schizophrenic in Russia or anywhere in eastern Europe.

He was diagnosed in the US by American psychiatrists.

You keep saying that, but it has no explanatory force.

Yes, well, I can only provide the information Peterson, himself, has revealed and which has been publicly corroborated and clarified by his daughter.

That still does not prove that Peterson was/ is in the midst of an 'episode' when producing, editing and publishing that theological piece.

Hence the question mark in the subject line.

That a gweggy/Bbbwian tut tut eyeroll question mark - a dishonest implication.
Not a genuine question but a judgement that is not honest about itself.

No... It's a genuine question. I don't know if Peterson is having a psychotic episode. But it appears to me that he may be.

Just gone 8:30pm your time? Let's see how you go tonight.

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Reply #144 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:59pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:55pm:

North, if he is having a breakdown, does that change any of the brilliant work of the past?

What do you think of John Smith's assertion that Peterson is too stupid to walk a poodle, or something to that effect?

No, of course not.

His work speaks for itself... And he's clearly had a positive effect on thousands.

It was good to watch him recover over this year and a bit disturbing to see those clips posted here. If he's going through it again, it might end his career.

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Reply #146 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:14pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:59pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 7:55pm:

North, if he is having a breakdown, does that change any of the brilliant work of the past?

What do you think of John Smith's assertion that Peterson is too stupid to walk a poodle, or something to that effect?

No, of course not.

His work speaks for itself... And he's clearly had a positive effect on thousands.

It was good to watch him recover over this year and a bit disturbing to see those clips posted here. If he's going through it again, it might end his career.

A graceful climb-down. Nicely done.

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Reply #147 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:19pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:12pm:

Check this out, from just 3 days ago.

He looks and sounds perfectly 100% normal JP.
Perhaps the last two were after a bit of insomnia?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV0b-NhKTY[]

Yes. I checked that out.

Note Peterson's comment in the introduction:

Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 53. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.

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Reply #148 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:38pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:12pm:

Check this out, from just 3 days ago.

He looks and sounds perfectly 100% normal JP.
Perhaps the last two were after a bit of insomnia?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV0b-NhKTY[]

Yes. I checked that out.

Note Peterson's comment in the introduction:

Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 53. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.

On his website he has episodes put up in Sept. and seems fine. I'd wait for a few long form ones before I form an opinion.

I'm struggling to workout your position on him as you seem to be running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds.

When I pin you down on points about him, you're in agreement on his being ideologically assassinated by the left, his brilliance and the help he's given people.

When Smith gets back, you'll egg him on about how Smith thinks he's dumber than a poodle (Petersons encyclopedic knowledge of Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoevsky among other things not withstanding)

Some come on, lay it on the line Wink

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Reply #149 - Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:54pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:38pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Nov 5^th, 2021 at 8:12pm:

Check this out, from just 3 days ago.

He looks and sounds perfectly 100% normal JP.
Perhaps the last two were after a bit of insomnia?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV0b-NhKTY[]

Yes. I checked that out.

Note Peterson's comment in the introduction:

Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 53. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.

On his website he has episodes put up in Sept. and seems fine. I'd wait for a few long form ones before I form an opinion.

I'm struggling to workout your position on him as you seem to be running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds.

When I pin you down on points about him, you're in agreement on his being ideologically assassinated by the left, his brilliance and the help he's given people.

When Smith gets back, you'll egg him on about how Smith thinks he's dumber than a poodle (Petersons encyclopedic knowledge of Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoevsky among other things not withstanding)

Some come on, lay it on the line Wink

Yes, he published the conversation in September but recorded it in June.

He was definitely fine in June and he looked like he does in that conversation from about April. He ran a series of conversations around March to June and some later, which he published weekly.

With Smith, he suggested a high standard for dog walker which I thought was funny. How high could standards be for a dog walker, I wondered.

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