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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #150 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:04pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
Check this out, from just 3 days ago.

He looks and sounds perfectly 100% normal JP.
Perhaps the last two were after a bit of insomnia?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV0b-NhKTY[]


Yes. I checked that out.

Note Peterson's comment in the introduction:

Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 53. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.



On his website he has episodes put up in Sept. and seems fine. I'd wait for a few long form ones before I form an opinion.

I'm struggling to workout your position on him as you seem to be running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds.

When I pin you down on points about him, you're in agreement on his being ideologically assassinated by the left, his brilliance and the help he's given people.

When Smith gets back, you'll egg him on about how Smith thinks he's dumber than a poodle (Petersons encyclopedic knowledge of Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoevsky among other things not withstanding)

Some come on, lay it on the line Wink

Yes, he published the conversation in September but recorded it in June.

He was definitely fine in June and he looked like he does in that conversation from about April. He ran a series of conversations around March to June and some later, which he published weekly.

With Smith, he suggested a high standard for dog walker which I thought was funny. How high could standards be for a dog walker, I wondered.



Grow a spine, you know what he meant.
Smith has commented many times he's underwhelmed by Peterson's intellect (LoL), and called him the stupid man's smart person (a left wing attack meme he ripped off).

Do you agree with him here, and if not, why haven't you taken him to task for it?
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #151 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:11pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:04pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
Check this out, from just 3 days ago.

He looks and sounds perfectly 100% normal JP.
Perhaps the last two were after a bit of insomnia?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV0b-NhKTY[]


Yes. I checked that out.

Note Peterson's comment in the introduction:

Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 53. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.



On his website he has episodes put up in Sept. and seems fine. I'd wait for a few long form ones before I form an opinion.

I'm struggling to workout your position on him as you seem to be running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds.

When I pin you down on points about him, you're in agreement on his being ideologically assassinated by the left, his brilliance and the help he's given people.

When Smith gets back, you'll egg him on about how Smith thinks he's dumber than a poodle (Petersons encyclopedic knowledge of Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoevsky among other things not withstanding)

Some come on, lay it on the line Wink

Yes, he published the conversation in September but recorded it in June.

He was definitely fine in June and he looked like he does in that conversation from about April. He ran a series of conversations around March to June and some later, which he published weekly.

With Smith, he suggested a high standard for dog walker which I thought was funny. How high could standards be for a dog walker, I wondered.



Grow a spine, you know what he meant.
Smith has commented many times he's underwhelmed by Peterson's intellect (LoL), and called him the stupid man's smart person (a left wing attack meme he ripped off).

Do you agree with him here, and if not, why haven't you taken him to task for it?

Maybe you take this forum more seriously than I do.

I'm not troubled by what people post here as I've learned it's mostly about venting, which is fine by me; I don't know anyone here personally.

If Smith is underwhelmed by Peterson, then... Smith is underwhelmed by Peterson... Feel free to take him on.

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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #152 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:16pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:04pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
Check this out, from just 3 days ago.

He looks and sounds perfectly 100% normal JP.
Perhaps the last two were after a bit of insomnia?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV0b-NhKTY[]


Yes. I checked that out.

Note Peterson's comment in the introduction:

Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 53. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.



On his website he has episodes put up in Sept. and seems fine. I'd wait for a few long form ones before I form an opinion.

I'm struggling to workout your position on him as you seem to be running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds.

When I pin you down on points about him, you're in agreement on his being ideologically assassinated by the left, his brilliance and the help he's given people.

When Smith gets back, you'll egg him on about how Smith thinks he's dumber than a poodle (Petersons encyclopedic knowledge of Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoevsky among other things not withstanding)

Some come on, lay it on the line Wink

Yes, he published the conversation in September but recorded it in June.

He was definitely fine in June and he looked like he does in that conversation from about April. He ran a series of conversations around March to June and some later, which he published weekly.

With Smith, he suggested a high standard for dog walker which I thought was funny. How high could standards be for a dog walker, I wondered.



Grow a spine, you know what he meant.
Smith has commented many times he's underwhelmed by Peterson's intellect (LoL), and called him the stupid man's smart person (a left wing attack meme he ripped off).

Do you agree with him here, and if not, why haven't you taken him to task for it?

Maybe you take this forum more seriously than I do.

I'm not troubled by what people post here as I've learned it's mostly about venting, which is fine by me; I don't know anyone here personally.

If Smith is underwhelmed by Peterson, then... Smith is underwhelmed by Peterson... Feel free to take him on.



No, I'm questioning your opinions on Peterson looking like an each way bet, depending on who you're replying to.
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #153 - Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:29pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:16pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:11pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 9:04pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:54pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:38pm:
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:19pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 5th, 2021 at 8:12pm:
Check this out, from just 3 days ago.

He looks and sounds perfectly 100% normal JP.
Perhaps the last two were after a bit of insomnia?

[]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yV0b-NhKTY[]


Yes. I checked that out.

Note Peterson's comment in the introduction:

Welcome to the Jordan B Peterson podcast season 4, episode 53. This episode was recorded on June 14th, 2021.



On his website he has episodes put up in Sept. and seems fine. I'd wait for a few long form ones before I form an opinion.

I'm struggling to workout your position on him as you seem to be running with the foxes and hunting with the hounds.

When I pin you down on points about him, you're in agreement on his being ideologically assassinated by the left, his brilliance and the help he's given people.

When Smith gets back, you'll egg him on about how Smith thinks he's dumber than a poodle (Petersons encyclopedic knowledge of Jung, Nietzsche, Solzhenitsyn, Dostoevsky among other things not withstanding)

Some come on, lay it on the line Wink

Yes, he published the conversation in September but recorded it in June.

He was definitely fine in June and he looked like he does in that conversation from about April. He ran a series of conversations around March to June and some later, which he published weekly.

With Smith, he suggested a high standard for dog walker which I thought was funny. How high could standards be for a dog walker, I wondered.



Grow a spine, you know what he meant.
Smith has commented many times he's underwhelmed by Peterson's intellect (LoL), and called him the stupid man's smart person (a left wing attack meme he ripped off).

Do you agree with him here, and if not, why haven't you taken him to task for it?

Maybe you take this forum more seriously than I do.

I'm not troubled by what people post here as I've learned it's mostly about venting, which is fine by me; I don't know anyone here personally.

If Smith is underwhelmed by Peterson, then... Smith is underwhelmed by Peterson... Feel free to take him on.



No, I'm questioning your opinions on Peterson looking like an each way bet, depending on who you're replying to.

Opinions matter less to me on a forum like this than motivation.

Also, even the great are multifaceted. Someone who has a differing opinion to me might be right in part.

Does Peterson have something important to say? Absolutely.

Is he flawed and does he have a dark side? Absolutely. And those are Peterson's words about himself.

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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #154 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 1:26pm
 
Hey North.

So we agreed that most of the hate Peterson cops is from people who have formed their opinions from an out of context 60 second clip, or people who willfully distort what he's said.

I've just realised I'm guilty of forming an opinion from a short clip.

Something he said that makes femos insane is that women are more agreeable than men and you'll get some butch bulldyke arguing 'do I look agreeable'?

This is one of his opinions that I somewhat agreed with, not totally.

Anyway, today on my phone on Youtube one of his old Harvard lectures popped up, and by accident, I skipped right to the bit where he was discussing that topic and he was explaining it with a ven diagram, and showed how there's a huge area of overlap of the agreeableness of men and women, but men occupy the side of extreme disagreeableness and women the side of extreme agreeablness and it's those extremes that contribute to the gender pay gap.

So when people think that Peterson says women are more and men are less agreeable, that's just not what he said.
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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #155 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 2:00pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 1:26pm:
Hey North.

So we agreed that most of the hate Peterson cops is from people who have formed their opinions from an out of context 60 second clip, or people who willfully distort what he's said.

I've just realised I'm guilty of forming an opinion from a short clip.

Something he said that makes femos insane is that women are more agreeable than men and you'll get some butch bulldyke arguing 'do I look agreeable'?

This is one of his opinions that I somewhat agreed with, not totally.

Anyway, today on my phone on Youtube one of his old Harvard lectures popped up, and by accident, I skipped right to the bit where he was discussing that topic and he was explaining it with a ven diagram, and showed how there's a huge area of overlap of the agreeableness of men and women, but men occupy the side of extreme disagreeableness and women the side of extreme agreeablness and it's those extremes that contribute to the gender pay gap.

So when people think that Peterson says women are more and men are less agreeable, that's just not what he said.

I can't say that whether people hate Peterson from watching 60 second clips of him, (no doubt it doesn't help), but I do believe that he has been mischaracterised and wrongly vilified by those who are bound to certain ideological agendas.

He walks through this (and the issue of agreeableness) in his (in)famous interview with Cathy Newman.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54).

However, I can accept that some people may not agree with or enjoy Peterson's delivery or propositions. For example, his obsession with the meaning of 'Israel' (We who struggle with god) the title of his fourth book, draws a collective yawn from Jewish descent people he interviews (e.g. Stephen Fry, Steven Pinker, Laurence Krauss).

Also, he demonstrates himself that some men can exhibit emotional states usually attributed to women.


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Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode?
Reply #156 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 2:41pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 2:00pm:
Gordon wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 1:26pm:
Hey North.

So we agreed that most of the hate Peterson cops is from people who have formed their opinions from an out of context 60 second clip, or people who willfully distort what he's said.

I've just realised I'm guilty of forming an opinion from a short clip.

Something he said that makes femos insane is that women are more agreeable than men and you'll get some butch bulldyke arguing 'do I look agreeable'?

This is one of his opinions that I somewhat agreed with, not totally.

Anyway, today on my phone on Youtube one of his old Harvard lectures popped up, and by accident, I skipped right to the bit where he was discussing that topic and he was explaining it with a ven diagram, and showed how there's a huge area of overlap of the agreeableness of men and women, but men occupy the side of extreme disagreeableness and women the side of extreme agreeablness and it's those extremes that contribute to the gender pay gap.

So when people think that Peterson says women are more and men are less agreeable, that's just not what he said.

I can't say that whether people hate Peterson from watching 60 second clips of him, (no doubt it doesn't help), but I do believe that he has been mischaracterised and wrongly vilified by those who are bound to certain ideological agendas.

He walks through this (and the issue of agreeableness) in his (in)famous interview with Cathy Newman.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54).

However, I can accept that some people may not agree with or enjoy Peterson's delivery or propositions. For example, his obsession with the meaning of 'Israel' (We who struggle with god) the title of his fourth book, draws a collective yawn from Jewish descent people he interviews (e.g. Stephen Fry, Steven Pinker, Laurence Krauss).

Also, he demonstrates himself that some men can exhibit emotional states usually attributed to women.




I've seen the clip with Cathy before and although he explained the % agreeableness plays on the gender wage gap, it really doesn't resonate like when he pointed to the ven diagram on a blackboard. If everyone saw that, there would be no controversy.

And on the Africa clip, every very moving. Thanks for posting.





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Reply #157 - Nov 9th, 2021 at 2:55pm
 
Gordon wrote on Nov 9th, 2021 at 2:41pm:
And on the Africa clip, every very moving. Thanks for posting.

I have to say that his tendency to cry as often as he does, I find somewhat disturbing.

I can't determine what his motives are.

Is it genuine hurt or self-pity?
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Reply #158 - Nov 11th, 2021 at 6:27am
 
An interesting take on Peterson's 'A Wing and a Prayer' video (in the OP)...

Paul VanderKlay (a minister in the Christian Reformed Church with his own youtube channel) suggests that Peterson's recent strange deviation from his usual long-form conversational format with a relatively short religious message was likely designed to further break into the American religious Youtube market by dangling (like a carrot) the possibility that he (Peterson) was preparing to declare himself a Christian and commit to a denomination.

It was, after all, clearly directed at the American religious right.

VanderKlay suggests that Peterson's media team (using Google analytics) discovered a vector for increasing subscription numbers and suggested that he try breaking into the religious market with a short clip, pack-loaded with religious imagery and metaphors, to achieve it. It seems to have worked in that his subscription numbers have increased.

VanderKlay suggests that Peterson is not likely to take that step of religious commitment, as Peterson has always maintained that he is primarily and solely a clinical psychologist; something he regularly insists upon - which is true.

Strange, then, that Peterson would go to those lengths outside the purview of the norm for a clinical psychologist.

However, (according to VanderKlay), Peterson is not above playing 'cat and mouse' with the religious right.

If VanderKlay is correct, then maybe the image of a tortured Peterson in the clip was a carefully constructed 'passion of the Christ' act of imitation, and not evidence of a psychotic episode.
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