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Laugh till you cry Gold Member Offline Posts: 16619 In your happy place Gender:	Re: Jordan Peterson - Suffering a psychotic episode? Reply #45 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 9:45pm Two doddering old codgers engaged in a bitch-slapping fight. Frank and North-ofNorth are both losers.
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Reply #47 - Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 10:10pm

Everyone needs to find an anchor for their soul.

This world, this life, is, can be, a wild place for our psyche.

Everyone needs to find an anchor for their soul.

Read the Book of Psalms.

Read the Book of Proverbs.

Yadda said somewhere.....
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Reading scripture is a form of spiritual invocation [i believe].
And imo, the words and thoughts expressed within scripture, express [to me] the mind of our God.
And, reading those words and thoughts, exposes me to that spirit, which i [choose, and] want to be influenced by.
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The spirit of God.
It is that simple.

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Reply #48 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 11:26am

And another bizarre clip from Peterson, today.

What starts out as criticism of Trudeau in Glasgow, deflects towards Trudeau as Pinocchio.

If you've watched Peterson conversations, you'll know he has an almost psychiatric obsession with Pinocchio, (when he's not obsessing about Egyptian gods and a metaphysical eye), which he weaves into the conversation whenever he can.

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Reply #49 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 11:56am

the problem for jordan and indeed the problem for people like frank and sprint and tony abbott and barnaby joyce is that they are trying to present logical and reasoned arguements to people who do not argue "in good faith".

the left want to tear all of society down

and so they are "bad faith ' actors in any reasonable discussion.

it wouldnt matter how sensible jordan peterson or frank were , when they are dealing with people like gweggy or marla or smith, its a "non fruitful' activity.

the new conservative way (and trump intuitively understood this) is that you dont engage with such people.

when you fight with a pig , you get dirty (or in jordans case, you develop mental health issues) and the pig enjoys it.

trump recognised that the way to deal with such bad faith actors is to "tool" them
to "troll' them
to 'tease" them
to refuse to play their game.

the left wing media were never going to engage with trump in good faith, so he just called them fake news and moved on.

i think this is the way to deal with the left.

treat them as a joke and use them to have a bit of fun and then get on with your awesome life.

its the "paradigm shift"

for too long the conservative side have been giving a bit of ground and appeasing and pandering and it has no hope of working.

a few conservatives always understood this

thatcher, rupert murdoch, trump

heroes of the conservative side of politics because they recognised logical discourse is NOT the way to go .

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Reply #50 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:01pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 11:26am:

And another bizarre clip from Peterson, today.

What starts out as criticism of Trudeau in Glasgow, deflects towards Trudeau as Pinocchio.

If you've watched Peterson conversations, you'll know he has an almost psychiatric obsession with Pinocchio, (when he's not obsessing about Egyptian gods and a metaphysical eye), which he weaves into the conversation whenever he can.

He doesn't have a 'psychiatric obcession' with Pinocchio or anything else. He doesnt weave it into anything 'whenever he can'.
Pinocchio, his nose, is a parable about a lying puppet. An actor PM is a lying PM. Comparing a liar to Pinocchio is not 'obcession', nor 'weaving in'.

Peterson's lecture series are excellent. His series on on the psychological significance of Bible stories is very good.

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Reply #51 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:12pm

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:01pm:

He doesn't have a 'psychiatric obcession' with Pinocchio or anything else. He doesnt weave it into anything 'whenever he can'.
Pinocchio, his nose, is a parable about a lying puppet. An actor PM is a lying PM. Comparing a liar to Pinocchio is not 'obcession', nor 'weaving in'.

Peterson's lecture series are excellent. His series on on the psychological significance of Bible stories is very good.

You haven't watched Peterson's conversations.

He has an obsession with Pinocchio, Egyptian gods, the 'all-seeing' eye (in the Egyptian context), the messiah archetype, Jung and Nietzsche... To name his most favorite obsessions.

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Reply #53 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:28pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:12pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 12:01pm:

He doesn't have a 'psychiatric obcession' with Pinocchio or anything else. He doesnt weave it into anything 'whenever he can'.
Pinocchio, his nose, is a parable about a lying puppet. An actor PM is a lying PM. Comparing a liar to Pinocchio is not 'obcession', nor 'weaving in'.

Peterson's lecture series are excellent. His series on on the psychological significance of Bible stories is very good.

You haven't watched Peterson's conversations.

He has an obsession with Pinocchio, Egyptian gods, the 'all-seeing' eye (in the Egyptian context), the messiah archetype, Jung and Nietzsche... To name his most favorite obsessions.

Very well, link to a few more 'obsessive' Pinocchio' mentions.

Since he is a psychologists and is often talking about the psychological significance of archetypes, symbols and parables, it would be very surprising if Jung and Nietzsche didn't figure significantly.

He is also impressed by Solzhenitsyn's psychological portrait of Soviet communism. Do you have a better source you would recommend? Crime and Punishment is also a great literary source for the psychology of guilt. Do you know a better one?

He compiled a very helpful reading lists. Help yourself to some of them.
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/great-books/

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Reply #54 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:14pm

I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society. I understand the anxiety over this as it's a society turning on it's self. He sees it for what it is and it disturbs him, he's been a victim of it.

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Reply #55 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:18pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:14pm:

I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society. I understand the anxiety over this as it's a society turning on it's self.

Listen to Gad Saad, he perfectly articulates the stupidity of the woke left but is upbeat, funny and more economical with his words.

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Reply #56 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:18pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:48pm:

I find it's his detractors that think anyone who listens to him sees him as a messiah.

Most people think he's an interesting guy with some great points, some not so great.
People who hate him put up a 90 second clips to prove their point when you need to listen to 30mins or so, but that requires an attention span.

I've listened to several of his interviews over the years. He's a charlatan. A very clever one but a charlatan nonetheless.

And whilst you might not see him as the messiah, he has many fans who do.

So that's a fail from you on both points.

Not that anyone is really surprised Roll Eyes

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Reply #57 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:22pm

rhino wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:41pm:

the shill is struggling to cope is he?

What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support.

As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode.

And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah.

there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. Grin

Some of us understand his "big words" John. If they are beyond your limited vocabulary and comprehension than thats your issue.

I understand him fine. I also understand enough to recognise his hypocrisy and duplicity. You might be impressed by his big words, I'm not.

I recall I once listened to him denigrating the left for their use of labels, and the whole time he never once stopped applying his own labels to the left. Cheesy

The guy is an absolute fraud.

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Reply #58 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:22pm

Setanta wrote on Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:14pm:

I honestly could not listen to more than about 5 or so minutes so I might be at a loss to anything he said later but my impression was that,filter rambling, he's unhappy the schism between left and right has grown to a chasm and the impact it is having on society.

Hard to say.

By his own admission, since his teen years, Peterson has been haunted by nightmares of impending doom. He cries at the drop of a hat during a conversation particularly when discussing how it feels when he's attacked online or when people thank him for changing their lives for the better.

Is he weeping for the world or just emotionally unstable?... He obliquely conceded the latter when he discussed how he was once thinking about a political career but didn't think in retrospect he would have been emotionally robust enough for it.

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Reply #59 - Nov 4^th, 2021 at 5:23pm

Gordon wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 8:00pm:

rhino wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 7:53pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:51pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:47pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2021 at 6:41pm:

the shill is struggling to cope is he?

What's more disturbing are the thousands of comments in his support.

As a clinical psychologist, Peterson should know he's likely suffering from a psychotic episode.

And yet, he has a legion of disciples who are elevating him to prophet status, if not a messiah.

there's a few on here who do that just because he uses big words. Grin

Some of us understand his "big words" John. If they are beyond your limited vocabulary and comprehension than thats your issue.

Jordon Peterson was an associate professor at Harvard, is a clinical psychologist.
John is a house painter.

Was a house painter turdie ... I haven't painted in almost 13 years.

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