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Labor majority government Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1302 Gender:	A question for the right Nov 21^st, 2021 at 7:46pm Zero immigration and a massive demand for employees but no pay rises ? Why ?
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 45875 Gender:	Re: A question for the right Reply #1 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 8:29pm Labor majority government wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 7:46pm: Zero immigration and a massive demand for employees but no pay rises ? Why ? It's to give you a heart attack. You are a lefty mindless bozo. What else could it be??
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74452 Gender:	Re: A question for the right Reply #2 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 8:30pm Labor majority government wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 7:46pm: Zero immigration and a massive demand for employees but no pay rises ? Why ? to highlight their stupidity
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: A question for the right Reply #3 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 8:39pm Labor majority government wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 7:46pm: Zero immigration and a massive demand for employees but no pay rises ? Why ? Duh! To kickstart a bankrupt economy you dill! What a stupid question. I seriously don't know why some people are allowed to vote!
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Re: A question for the right
Reply #4 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 8:50pm

False premise.

Dishwashers on $90 an hour as staff shortages smash hospitality sector

Dishwashers are earning up to $90 an hour in one of Sydney’s top restaurants, as labour shortages in the hospitality industry force some businesses to cut opening hours.

Rockpool Bar & Grill is paying dishwashers $90 an hour on Friday and Saturday nights “and we still can’t get them”, said executive chef Corey Costelloe.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/dishwashers-on-90-an-hour-as-staff-shortages-sma...

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Re: A question for the right
Reply #5 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 9:05pm

Immigration has been affected by the Chinese pandemic, but here are the pre-pandemic figures, and they are not Zero.

For the year ending 30 June 2020:

There were over 7.6 million migrants living in Australia
29.8% of Australia's population were born overseas
Australia's population increased by 194,400 people due to net overseas migration.

No doubt, after borders open, immigration will ramp up to the above levels again.

The problem is the open slather policy of the ALP-Greens. They know that in the long term poverty stricken immigrants will increase their voter base. Its one of the sleaziest aspects of the Left. Flood the country with UN sanctioned welfare recipients.

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Reply #6 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 10:03pm

issuevoter wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 9:05pm:

Immigration has been affected by the Chinese pandemic, but here are the pre-pandemic figures, and they are not Zero.

For the year ending 30 June 2020:

There were over 7.6 million migrants living in Australia
29.8% of Australia's population were born overseas
Australia's population increased by 194,400 people due to net overseas migration.

No doubt, after borders open, immigration will ramp up to the above levels again.

The problem is the open slather policy of the ALP-Greens. They know that in the long term poverty stricken immigrants will increase their voter base. Its one of the sleaziest aspects of the Left. Flood the country with UN sanctioned welfare recipients.

A post completely devoid of facts....Immigration has been driving GDP since federation mate....It is not party political!!!

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...

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Reply #7 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 10:13pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 10:03pm:

issuevoter wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 9:05pm:

Immigration has been affected by the Chinese pandemic, but here are the pre-pandemic figures, and they are not Zero.

For the year ending 30 June 2020:

There were over 7.6 million migrants living in Australia
29.8% of Australia's population were born overseas
Australia's population increased by 194,400 people due to net overseas migration.

No doubt, after borders open, immigration will ramp up to the above levels again.

The problem is the open slather policy of the ALP-Greens. They know that in the long term poverty stricken immigrants will increase their voter base. Its one of the sleaziest aspects of the Left. Flood the country with UN sanctioned welfare recipients.

A post completely devoid of facts....Immigration has been driving GDP since federation mate....It is not party political!!!

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...

https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_...

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Ummm you had better take another closer look at both your links then.

They're not helping your case Phil.

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10766 Gender:	Re: A question for the right Reply #8 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 10:44pm Labor majority government wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 7:46pm: Zero immigration and a massive demand for employees but no pay rises ? Why ? There's no pay rises because the money is going overseas to pay interest on the massive debt - reduce the debt, then you'll get a pay rise
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Reply #9 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 10:50pm

Bullsh1t.
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How much is the Australian government actually in debt?
When the Commonwealth government wants to spend more money than it raises in tax revenue, it instructs the Treasury to issue debt in the form of bonds and notes, or Australian Government Securities (AGS). “The government borrows money by issuing bonds – these are financial instruments. People ‘lend’ money by buying bonds from the government. The bondholder is then entitled to repayment,” explains Mark Humphrey-Jenner, Associate Professor in Finance at UNSW Business School. “They can sell the bond in the secondary market. Thus, the initial buyer need not be the same as the current holder,” he says.

Any government debt is then typically measured as a percentage of gross domestic product (GDP); it is measured not in absolute dollar terms but in comparison to its creditworthiness and ability to repay debts. For example, the 2021-2022 Budget predicts the Commonwealth government’s gross debt for 2020-21 is $829 billion (or 40.2 per cent of GDP). By 30 June 2022, gross debt will rise to $963 billion (or 45.1 per cent of GDP) and then increase to $1.2 billion (50 per cent of GDP) by 30 June 2025.

While gross debt gives some indication of Australia’s economic position, the number that is more often reported is net debt, which is the sum of all financial liabilities (gross debt) of a government minus its financial assets. The latest Budget paper shows Australia’s net debt is expected to reach $729 billion (34.2 per cent of GDP) by 30 June 2022 before peaking at $981 billion (40.9 per cent of GDP) in 2024–25. The government also predicts net debt will fall to 37 per cent of GDP by 2032. Australia’s net debt has been steadily rising since before COVID-19, following the global financial crisis, and is not expected to fall below a third of national GDP in the next decade.

[url]https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/business-law/australias-coronavirus-bill-debt-
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Reply #10 - Nov 21^st, 2021 at 10:54pm

Bias_2012 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 10:44pm:

Labor majority government wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 7:46pm:

Zero immigration and a massive demand for employees but no pay rises ?

Why ?

There's no pay rises because the money is going overseas to pay interest on the massive debt - reduce the debt, then you'll get a pay rise

That's not entirely true but it has a lot to do with it.

By the way ....do you know who owns much of our debt?

2/3 of our debt is held by non-resident investors namely US, UK, Belgium, Japan and of course China.

These are the countries who we pay interest to.

We need to get China off that list ASAP.

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Reply #11 - Nov 22^nd, 2021 at 6:38am

Gordon wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 8:50pm:

False premise.

Dishwashers on $90 an hour as staff shortages smash hospitality sector

Dishwashers are earning up to $90 an hour in one of Sydney’s top restaurants, as labour shortages in the hospitality industry force some businesses to cut opening hours.

Rockpool Bar & Grill is paying dishwashers $90 an hour on Friday and Saturday nights “and we still can’t get them”, said executive chef Corey Costelloe.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/dishwashers-on-90-an-hour-as-staff-shortages-sma...

This is not unique to Australia. Staff shortages in these industries are happening in other countries: the Great Resignation.

These workers are no longer willing to be paid minimum wages to be treated like crap, so they're quitting to work elsewhere.

To fix these staff shortages and worker retention, the following measures will help:
* Offer more money.
* Offer better employment conditions.
* Stop stealing wages from workers by making them work for free.
* Introduce and enforce a zero tolerance policy towards any mistreatment of staff by the customers: evict all abusive customers immediately, and call the cops if they refuse to leave.

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Captain Nemo Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10169 Melbourne Gender:	Re: A question for the right Reply #12 - Nov 22^nd, 2021 at 9:34am Labor majority government wrote on Nov 21^st, 2021 at 7:46pm: Zero immigration and a massive demand for employees but no pay rises ? Why ? A false premise. Wages are growing.
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Reply #13 - Nov 22^nd, 2021 at 9:41am

Bam wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2021 at 6:38am:

To fix these staff shortages and worker retention, the following measures will help:
* Offer more money.
* Offer better employment conditions.
* Stop stealing wages from workers by making them work for free.
* Introduce and enforce a zero tolerance policy towards any mistreatment of staff by the customers: evict all abusive customers immediately, and call the cops if they refuse to leave.

since the 1980s successive governments (both labor and Liberal) have been eroding employees rights and removing any bargaining power from them.

Thats why wages growth is now non existent
Thats why wage theft is rampant
Thats why the gig economy has all the flexibility for employers but none for the employees

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Re: A question for the right
Reply #14 - Nov 22^nd, 2021 at 10:09am

The_Barnacle wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2021 at 9:41am:

Bam wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2021 at 6:38am:

To fix these staff shortages and worker retention, the following measures will help:
* Offer more money.
* Offer better employment conditions.
* Stop stealing wages from workers by making them work for free.
* Introduce and enforce a zero tolerance policy towards any mistreatment of staff by the customers: evict all abusive customers immediately, and call the cops if they refuse to leave.

since the 1980s successive governments (both labor and Liberal) have been eroding employees rights and removing any bargaining power from them.

Thats why wages growth is now non existent
Thats why wage theft is rampant
Thats why the gig economy has all the flexibility for employers but none for the employees

I'm not sure you can really say that about Labor governments.

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