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Reply #15 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 8:35am
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 6:37am:
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There is actually a guy in Dublin with a really infectious strain of TB and he has been in Quarantine since 1960 something.
Should the government just let him out to infect all Ireland and maybe even the world?


Link?


I did a reasonably in depth search & could find no link or information to verify that claim.

Besides that TB is still in quite a few places globally.

We have it on our door step in Papua New Guinea.

& there are active cases in Australia.

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Since the 1980's Australia has maintained one of the lowest rates of TB in the world. Nevertheless, [highlight]1,612 new cases of TB were reported in Australia in 2020[/highlight], with 631 cases notified in NSW. This also included 9 cases of multi-drug resistant TB (MDR
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https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/tuberculosis/Pages/world-tb-day-2021.as...
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Reply #16 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:47pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:40am:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:19am:
now lets not forget that the number of over 80 yo's will quadruple in 15 years.

do you really think we have correct priorities .
its time for that conversation

Time for death panels, you think?

A latter day 'Logan's Run' Huxleyesque dystopia?




i would think the euthenasia legislation is part of it.

the largest hospital in brisbane the PAH was rebuilt 10 years ago and its bed capaciity went from 1100 to 850.
there are no more plans to increae public hospital beds.

my nursing contacts tell me that nursing homes CANNOT transfer patients to public hospitals now, without a nurse navigator in emergency approving this.

recognising the stress on public beds which run at nearly 100 % capacity and a quadrupling of the very elederly in the next 15 years, it is patently obvious that the very elderly will not be recieving treatment in public hospitals to the extent they currently seem to think they will be.

the system cannot cope now and covid is just exposing a problem that is inevitable.


you simply cannot do everything for everyone to extend life.

it would require the entire spend from treasury to do so.

its not a matter of "death panels", its a matter of common sense.

the first group to be permanently booted from the hospital system were the mentally ill.

the PAH , again, used to have a 5 story psych hospital with 200 beds. it now has 12 beds.

the elderly should start petitioning for care in the community as they are unlikelly to recieve it in the public hospital setting.

the public hospitals are proceedural places with very quick turnover and throughput .
perfect for a quick cataract or stent or hernia operation but they wont cope with covid patients hanging around for weeks .

they will have to find an alternative model .

mother nature has her way in the end
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Reply #17 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:20pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2021 at 12:18pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 22nd, 2021 at 12:16pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 22nd, 2021 at 9:08am:
Good post Irishman.

Welcome to Ozpol.


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Reply #18 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:20pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:47pm:
i would think the euthenasia legislation is part of it.

the largest hospital in brisbane the PAH was rebuilt 10 years ago and its bed capaciity went from 1100 to 850.
there are no more plans to increae public hospital beds.

my nursing contacts tell me that nursing homes CANNOT transfer patients to public hospitals now, without a nurse navigator in emergency approving this.

recognising the stress on public beds which run at nearly 100 % capacity and a quadrupling of the very elederly in the next 15 years, it is patently obvious that the very elderly will not be recieving treatment in public hospitals to the extent they currently seem to think they will be.

the system cannot cope now and covid is just exposing a problem that is inevitable.


you simply cannot do everything for everyone to extend life.

it would require the entire spend from treasury to do so.

its not a matter of "death panels", its a matter of common sense.

the first group to be permanently booted from the hospital system were the mentally ill.

the PAH , again, used to have a 5 story psych hospital with 200 beds. it now has 12 beds.

the elderly should start petitioning for care in the community as they are unlikelly to recieve it in the public hospital setting.

the public hospitals are proceedural places with very quick turnover and throughput .
perfect for a quick cataract or stent or hernia operation but they wont cope with covid patients hanging around for weeks .

they will have to find an alternative model .

mother nature has her way in the end

Euthanasia is an option that must be chosen by the patient, unless you're implying that those with power of attorney over the patient could make that decision for the patient.

If it came down to determining who not to treat, a dystopian name for the group making that decision could be a 'death panel'.

But there is a point to be made...

Until there is a cure for the likes of dementia/Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease etc... or a treatment to significantly delay mental decline, the problem of care for the elderly will only increase.

Medical science and modern living standards have almost doubled the capacity of the human body to remain alive... Treatment to ensure the mind's capacity to remain intact has not kept pace with life extension.

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Re: A message to Tasmania from Ireland
Reply #19 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:59pm
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 1:20pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 12:47pm:
i would think the euthenasia legislation is part of it.

the largest hospital in brisbane the PAH was rebuilt 10 years ago and its bed capaciity went from 1100 to 850.
there are no more plans to increae public hospital beds.

my nursing contacts tell me that nursing homes CANNOT transfer patients to public hospitals now, without a nurse navigator in emergency approving this.

recognising the stress on public beds which run at nearly 100 % capacity and a quadrupling of the very elederly in the next 15 years, it is patently obvious that the very elderly will not be recieving treatment in public hospitals to the extent they currently seem to think they will be.

the system cannot cope now and covid is just exposing a problem that is inevitable.


you simply cannot do everything for everyone to extend life.

it would require the entire spend from treasury to do so.

its not a matter of "death panels", its a matter of common sense.

the first group to be permanently booted from the hospital system were the mentally ill.

the PAH , again, used to have a 5 story psych hospital with 200 beds. it now has 12 beds.

the elderly should start petitioning for care in the community as they are unlikelly to recieve it in the public hospital setting.

the public hospitals are proceedural places with very quick turnover and throughput .
perfect for a quick cataract or stent or hernia operation but they wont cope with covid patients hanging around for weeks .

they will have to find an alternative model .

mother nature has her way in the end

Euthanasia is an option that must be chosen by the patient, unless you're implying that those with power of attorney over the patient could make that decision for the patient.

If it came down to determining who not to treat, a dystopian name for the group making that decision could be a 'death panel'.

But there is a point to be made...

Until there is a cure for the likes of dementia/Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease etc... or a treatment to significantly delay mental decline, the problem of care for the elderly will only increase.

Medical science and modern living standards have almost doubled the capacity of the human body to remain alive... Treatment to ensure the mind's capacity to remain intact has not kept pace with life extension.



well thats fluffy thought bubbles.

but i am talking about the reality of what happens in the next decade or so.

their are not enough public hospital beds or enough dollars to do all things for all people.

will we delay the treatment of a 10 yo with leukemia so a 85 with dementia can get a spot in a hospital for a myriad of issues?

there will be health rationing.

there is rationing of every other very expensive resource,

we dont need death panels but we need to have a discussion about what should be provided to whom and in what location.

or the system collapses.

we have already seen that in greece.

no chemo for young women with breast cancer.  the system could not fund it.

and to the covid obsessed, it should be obvious that without a functional thriving economy, you wont even have a public hospital system
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Re: A message to Tasmania from Ireland
Reply #20 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 2:12pm
 
Hey, here's a new idea for you, aqua.

Why don't you go to South Australia and preach your 'gospel' over there?

Lots of really unhappy people today, so it would seem.

Here's a few examples:

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AB
@silentanb
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7h
Replying to
@SAHealth
Hopeful this decision doesn't go down as being as smart as introducing cane toads to Queensland. March next year will show it probably will


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That’s because they’ve opened up to all these infected states, and I know that we are going to have thousands of deaths here


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Tell me again why I’m so excited to have business interruptions from COVID and my kids home schooling week on week off due to “outbreaks”? Oh and my elderly mother too scared to go out


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You’ve clearly let the flood gates open too early - every case and every death will be due to this ill informed decision with less than 65% of the TOTAL population fully vaxed Many South Australians are very unhappy


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You opened up and Victoria had 827 cases over night plus 19 deaths. You have got to be joking! Who in their right minds would purposely infect their state. People around the world that I have spoken to do not believe this. How many deaths is acceptable to this government.


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The virus is far from over and they open the boarders and I’m not well at all at the moment I’m terrified to live life again so thanks for that ok darling government.  MY DEATH WILL BE IN YOUR HANDS


And many more.

I'm sure they would love to hear your 'words of wisdom' right now. Roll Eyes
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Reply #21 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:30pm
 
6 bed wetters with severe death anxiety.

they can fret and fuss as much as they want.

it doesnt change the demographic fact that many many many elderly australians are not going to recieve the "pull out all stops " treatment.

there is not enough capacity in the system and this trend gets worse, year on year into the future.

you would probably be better to let covid establish herd immunity now then keep it out and let it increase illness in the years to come , because each year, as the populations ages and gets more unhealthy, there are less and less resources to go around.
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Reply #22 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 4:13pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:30pm:
6 bed wetters with severe death anxiety.


Carl D wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 2:12pm:
And many more.


I could probably fill several pages with posts from unhappy and annoyed people in that SA Health Twitter thread.

And, if you included all of the "everyone I know feels the same way" people from some of those posts I could be here for the rest of the day.
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Reply #23 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 4:58pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 4:13pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 3:30pm:
6 bed wetters with severe death anxiety.


Carl D wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 2:12pm:
And many more.


I could probably fill several pages with posts from unhappy and annoyed people in that SA Health Twitter thread.

And, if you included all of the "everyone I know feels the same way" people from some of those posts I could be here for the rest of the day.



a very noisy minority
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Reply #24 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 5:08pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 23rd, 2021 at 4:58pm:
a very noisy minority


Seeing as the "National Plan" was supposed to be calling for at least 80% of the population to be fully vaccinated in each State before opening up then I don't blame them for being angry and noisy since South Australia is currently sitting at 78% fully vaccinated (16 years old and above) and 87.6% have only had their first 'jab'.

If EVERYONE is counted (not just 16 years old and above) the percentage of people fully vaccinated in South Australia is only about
65%
  Shocked

Being a Liberal State with a Liberal Premier obviously has a lot to do with it.

Oh, and they have a State election coming up next March.

https://www.afr.com/companies/tourism/covid-free-sa-s-tricky-reopening-20211122-...

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The re-opening is a risk for Mr Marshall, whose creaking minority government has been beset by non-pandemic strife, and who faces a state election on March 19 where the benefits of incumbency and a strong performance on managing the pandemic thus far would normally have been a huge plus.


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Reply #25 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 7:23pm
 
Welcome Irishman.
May our new Submarines have flyscreens on them, like yours has. Cheesy

Seriously though.
Its really about 'culture'.
When World War 1 fested the Pneumonic Pandemic from rotting bodies in stagnant muddy trenches mixed with the gases and chemicals used in the war with crowding in the trenches and under a festering sun... and the Militaries that were involved spread it around the world...
...only 1/3rd of the world's population was infected (directly) and of that 1/3rd - a whopping 50 million people died, DOUBLE more than the World War 1 that claimed in lives.

Now what goes around, comes around. Again a 'military' oppressed nation festers another Pandemic Virus (probably helped with Pollution and 'filthy' living standards. Though China and USA would say it was made in a Lab, because that's the 'cheaper' excuse, than the costly responsibility of 'cleaning' up their nations and their act like Climate Control, etc Wink).
This time, World War 3 WILL follow from all the Nations that have gone bankrupt and other 'financial/economic' problems.

Now consider this. If one region of the world was like a Political Parliment House full of Politicians and another was like a Hospital full of healthy people, etc - chances are, the former will suffer the effects of a Pandemic more so because their 'priorities' go against the grain in dealing with a Pandemic. So you could say, more 'political' people will die from a Pandemic, than say - Medical.

So with this in account. A 'Lockdown' is the best 'preventative' course of action against a Pandemic. Remember, 2/3rds of the World 100 years ago did NOT suffer the 'deadly' effects of the
Pnuemonic Pandemic
due to being more 'isolated' from interacting with the 'sick' nations (like the Political/Military/Religious dominated cultures).
When you have a 'fire' in a building, you 'isolate' it as your first course of action, before it inflames more so, everywhere else.

Now Australia is a sub-ordinated nation of lazy political people (by majority) who still suckle on the teat of the UK and grovel to the USA via their Prime Ministers. To lazy to run their own country and tell the PM and USA where to go with it's criminal 'international' agendas of selfish gain.
Australians do talk about a 'Republic' - but here in the Southern Hemisphere, a Republic would be nothing like what it is and historically has been in the Northern Hemisphere. It would be nothing like a Chinese or Irish Republic or even a USA Republican culture.
Politics in the North is only for the 'political' people - not the 'massive more' everyone else... like peasants.

So Lockdowns seem to only scuttle Economies dominated by Politics, Military and Religious priorities. But Lockdowns are easy-peasy for other nations/cultures around the world (Like Cuba and New Zealand) that accommodate a higher standard of Medical 'culture' in their nation.

The only reason why our USA representative called Scott Morrison forced a NSW Premier to 'take it easy' and let the Virus burn out of control into a now 'wild-fire' of a spread, is because his 'political' control of the country was slipping and he was afraid that 'Politics' would lose control, like Trump lost the USA Election. Of course, the Democrats used the Covid-Virus as a priority to jilt Trump from office, but now in - they revert back to a more 'political', rather than 'medical' stance.

Scott Morrison, got very jealous that the Australian Premiers were doing a better job than him (he did let the virus in in the first place via Cruise Liners) and we became #1 Economy IN THE WORLD under them, even though were were under Lockdown.

So to bring it into perspective: Nations who's Economies are heavily dependent on the 'cultures' of Political/Military/Religious 'power' - are more likely to suffer both economically and with higher death rates than more 'medically' MINDFUL nations who take a
MEDICAL GLOBAL CRISES
more seriously and don't
COMPROMISE
the lives of their people by making 30% of the population
EXPENDABLE
by allowing the Virus to run rampant beyond lockdown control, via a 70% Vaccination target.

When Covid erupted around the world. Medical Professionals were often on TV. But now ScoMo and the other Politicians have pushed them aside to hog the limelight and talk about sticking their noses in on China's business with such STUPID things as Taiwan (belongs to China, regardless of Political stance, as did Hong Kong and 15% of Russia that the USSR stole from China).

This is why more people will die.
This is why the Pandemic will claim more than 50million, in a world now of over 8 Billion, in a world of more international 'access/connecting'.

...and like I said at the start, "what goes around, comes around" - you could say when DOUBLE the amount of people die in World War 3, than the Covid Pandemic...
well, karma's a biatch.

So my dear Irishman. Keep your legs together and when your local Mayor tries to blow off a threat of a giant shark called Jaws threatening the local economy via Tourism, etc.
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Reply #26 - Nov 23rd, 2021 at 7:52pm
 
Btw - Tasmania inspired HG Wells's WAR OF THE WORLDS.
Due to what happened to the most ancient Aboriginal peoples.

Best go to New Zealand. They have 5 and 6 leaf clovers there. Wink
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Reply #27 - Nov 24th, 2021 at 12:53pm
 
Well, that didn't take long.

SA records two positive COVID-19 cases after borders open to ACT, NSW and Victoria

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Two people have returned positive COVID-19 tests in South Australia, the day after the state's borders opened to NSW, Victoria and the ACT.


I'm sure the rest of the mainstream media will eventually get around to reporting this as well (when they've finished milking the "feel good" stories about "reuniting families" for all its worth).
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Reply #28 - Nov 24th, 2021 at 3:07pm
 
Carl D wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 12:53pm:
Well, that didn't take long.

SA records two positive COVID-19 cases after borders open to ACT, NSW and Victoria

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Two people have returned positive COVID-19 tests in South Australia, the day after the state's borders opened to NSW, Victoria and the ACT.


I'm sure the rest of the mainstream media will eventually get around to reporting this as well (when they've finished milking the "feel good" stories about "reuniting families" for all its worth).




how is celebrating "human flourishing" not a noble cause?
why would anyone not feel joy at families being united ?
not everyone is a hermit with extreme death anxiety


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Reply #29 - Nov 24th, 2021 at 3:09pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 24th, 2021 at 3:07pm:
why would anyone not feel joy at families being united ?

Abandoned family Christmas dinners and the rise in assault rates at Christmas might speak to that.
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