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Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Reply #15 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:36am

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:

As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.

This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.

I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?

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How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?

Insufficient fines and penalties, insufficient testing and investigation, Lack of commitment to act, A politically driven belief that there should be no minimum wage level etc.

Just look at penalty rates as an example out of this area but real enough. - this form of wage theft is not even done behind closed doors anymore.

These visa schemes were always done badly to supply cheap labour undermining Australian pay rates and working conditions. These were always unneeded poor schemes and a blight on Australia.

This period should be the opportunity to fix what is wrong not an excuse to extend our failure.

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Reply #16 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:37am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:

As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.

This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.

I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?

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1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?

This method has never had any impact. it virtually encourages the illegal practices.

Even if caught and fined it is still profitable if a little inconvenient.

The penalty is mostly to pay back a part of the benefit gained over a short period.

i.e get away with it for 20 years get caught and have to pay back 50% from the previous 5 years. Well worth the risk even when caught.

Like speeding, tax avoidance, shoplifting etc. And in what way are Labor administrations, whom you eagerly cited with approval, doing it differently?

As for point 2, I expect shame at the realisation of your own stupid innuendo made you keep silent.

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Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Reply #17 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 11:11am

Downe at Ye Olde Courte House, Judge Grappler presiding:-

"Juan Ripoffsomani - you have been guilty of underpaying workers over an extended period of twenty years...... you are hereby ordered to pay back in full every cent taken, and every one of your personal assets will be held under court order until you do so! You will be unable to sell or sidetrack anything owned by yourself and your immediate family, who have benefited from your criminal behaviour, until such time as you pay your debts in full! Furthermore, you will not be permitted to declare bankruptcy, but must continue to pay your way.

Should you fail to pay, your assets will be held under RICO and will be sold off to pay your debts,and your passport and those of your family will be suspended.

Furthermore, I am imposing an exemplary fine of $10 million for each year of your deliberate malfeasance - the proceeds to be distributed to your victims on a proportional basis dependant upon the amount they have lost due to your criminal behaviour. (bangs gavel, rises)>>>"

"All rise!"

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Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Reply #18 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:37pm

[/color]Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:

As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.

This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.

I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?

Quote:

1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?

This method has never had any impact. it virtually encourages the illegal practices.

Even if caught and fined it is still profitable if a little inconvenient.

The penalty is mostly to pay back a part of the benefit gained over a short period.

i.e get away with it for 20 years get caught and have to pay back 50% from the previous 5 years. Well worth the risk even when caught.

Like speeding, tax avoidance, shoplifting etc. And in what way are Labor administrations, whom you eagerly cited with approval, doing it differently?

As for point 2, I expect shame at the realisation of your own stupid innuendo made you keep silent.

[color=#0000ff]Like speeding

You are fully charged and fully fined for the breach committed ?

tax avoidance

- For big business mostly it is just normal - no fine applicable.

shoplifting

Again fully charged for the crime committed.

And

in what way are Labor administrations

, whom you eagerly cited with approval - What - there is no Labor approval they would likely do better but not by much and no record of better performance in this area.

As for point 2

??? silly.

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Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Reply #19 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:33pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 8:37pm:

[/color]Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:37am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:26am:

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 9:46am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:14pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 3:23pm:

As do the FEDERAL Fair Work Commission and Fair Work Ombo under FEDERAL legislation.

This has never dissuaded the practice in any measurable manner. In fact behind closed doors they quite possibly even support the practice.

I am sorry but this is just unthinking idiocy on every level:
1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?
2 How would wage theft be supported behind closed doors by ANY arm of government, parliamentary, judicial or executive, or by the bureaucracy administering the laws and commissions?

Quote:

1 What law or commission has eliminated any criminal practice?

This method has never had any impact. it virtually encourages the illegal practices.

Even if caught and fined it is still profitable if a little inconvenient.

The penalty is mostly to pay back a part of the benefit gained over a short period.

i.e get away with it for 20 years get caught and have to pay back 50% from the previous 5 years. Well worth the risk even when caught.

Like speeding, tax avoidance, shoplifting etc. And in what way are Labor administrations, whom you eagerly cited with approval, doing it differently?

As for point 2, I expect shame at the realisation of your own stupid innuendo made you keep silent.

[color=#0000ff]Like speeding

You are fully charged and fully fined for the breach committed ?

tax avoidance

- For big business mostly it is just normal - no fine applicable.

shoplifting

Again fully charged for the crime committed.

And

in what way are Labor administrations

, whom you eagerly cited with approval - What - there is no Labor approval they would likely do better but not by much and no record of better performance in this area.

As for point 2

??? silly.

I am sensing discombobulation and nervous breakpoint....

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Re: PM Reopens Visa Schemes Bowing To Big Business
Reply #21 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 11:32pm

Jasin wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 10:09pm:

Can't let the lives of poor people dying from Covid get in the way of big business and money for Politics.

If the Kanaks take it back to the islands, who cares, eh? At least they have the balls to riot against Chinese attempts at de facto possession of their homeland....

**visions of shrunken Chinese heads lined up along a bamboo rail** ....

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