Australian Politics Forum - Religious rights

Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41636	Religious rights Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 4:33pm PM to personally introduce religious discrimination bill, as moderate Liberals remain concerned with details - oh, dear...
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Labor majority government Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1302 Gender:	Re: Religious rights Reply #1 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 4:36pm Oh dear
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Re: Religious rights
Reply #2 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:01pm

"In a free society, men and women should be able to express their point of view without people running off to government authorities saying, 'Oh, I feel offended about what somebody said'."

Some people are 'concerned' about that. Tsk, tsk Roll Eyes

If I was interviewing for a job and had an Australian applicant with no tats, facial ironmongery, green hair etc, a niqabi/bearded son of Mohammed and a raging LGBT/climate activist with tats and tongue stud and pink hair I would choose the best candidate for the job - the normal, nice Australian. Who wants to turn away customers?

Would I need to hide behind some religious shield? Yes - but I shouldn't have to. But we now need legislation to keep in check the snarling 'equity' mongers who are twiggered by everything and call every different view supremacists, colonialist, oppressive.

"The better the society, the less law there will be. In Heaven there will be no law, and the lion will lie down with the lamb. The values of an unjust society will reflect themselves in an unjust law. The worse the society, the more law there will be. In Hell there will be nothing but law, and due process will be meticulously observed."
Just so.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20299 Perth Gender:	Re: Religious rights Reply #3 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:15pm Exemptions for Religious beliefs....Na....Too complicated, unnecessary, counter productive and open to abuse by those who use religion to promote hate!!! Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people. Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007
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Re: Religious rights
Reply #4 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:37pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:15pm:

Exemptions for Religious beliefs....Na....Too complicated, unnecessary, counter productive and open to abuse by those who use religion to promote hate!!!

Huh

Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people.
Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007

Rational arguments work on no one where someone's faith is concerned and is being threatened... And not just religious faith.

If someone's taken on anything as a matter of faith, they will offer you no criteria of falsifiability.

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Re: Religious rights
Reply #5 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:15pm:

Exemptions for Religious beliefs....Na....Too complicated, unnecessary, counter productive and open to abuse by those who use religion to promote hate!!!

Huh

Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people.
Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007

It's not an exemption.

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Re: Religious rights
Reply #6 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:51pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:15pm:

Exemptions for Religious beliefs....Na....Too complicated, unnecessary, counter productive and open to abuse by those who use religion to promote hate!!!

Huh

Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people.
Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007

Now it's writers of TV soaps that provide intellectual authority for the likes of Pill!!!

Books, learning - toooo hard, innit? 'I know what I like, I do" 'e sayz. Gimme a RATIONAL soapy and I'm 'appy. They do the RATIONAL finkin' for me! what's not to like, eh, rational-like."

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74446 Gender:	Re: Religious rights Reply #7 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:53pm I'm going to laugh when the same people calling for this bill, will be crying out for harsher penalties when some Islamic extremist uses this bill for their own ends
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Re: Religious rights
Reply #8 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:53pm

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:51pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:15pm:

Exemptions for Religious beliefs....Na....Too complicated, unnecessary, counter productive and open to abuse by those who use religion to promote hate!!!

Huh

Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people.
Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007

Now it's writers of TV soaps that provide intellectual authority for the likes of Pill!!!

Books, learning - toooo hard, innit? 'I know what I like, I do" 'e sayz. Gimme a RATIONAL soapy and I'm 'appy. They do the RATIONAL finkin' for me! what's not to like, eh, rational-like."

Is it always intellectual outrage with you?

No humour? Just the schoolmaster from 'Another Brick in the Wall'?

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Reply #9 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:07pm

Q.
If it goes through the Australian parliament, will all of my OzPol posts relating to followers of ISLAM have to be removed,
because 'now' they will be too offensive [to moslems] to be able to be expressed ?

What say you brian ?

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Moslem = = a follower of ISLAM.

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MY ARGUMENT;
1/ Every moslem is a follower of ISLAM.

2/ And ISLAM is a philosophy which mandates that its followers must fight and kill people, who reject ISLAM, and reject the primacy of ISLAMIC law.

And, a new attack is going to occur whenever any individual moslem [living among us, in Australia] decides that 'now' is a good moment for him to prove his devotion to ISLAM and to Allah.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: Religious rights
Reply #10 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:15pm

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116. Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

The Constitution may have something to say about this.

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You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

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Re: Religious rights
Reply #11 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:25pm

Frank wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:51pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 5:15pm:

Exemptions for Religious beliefs....Na....Too complicated, unnecessary, counter productive and open to abuse by those who use religion to promote hate!!!

Huh

Rational arguments don't usually work on religious people. Otherwise, there wouldn't be religious people.
Doris Egan, House M.D., The Right Stuff, 2007

Now it's writers of TV soaps that provide intellectual authority for the likes of Pill!!!

Books, learning - toooo hard, innit? 'I know what I like, I do" 'e sayz. Gimme a RATIONAL soapy and I'm 'appy. They do the RATIONAL finkin' for me! what's not to like, eh, rational-like."

I stated my opinion ya dickhead....You are either stupid or ignorant....My guess is both!!!

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Reply #12 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:30pm

Bam wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:15pm:

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116. Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

The Constitution may have something to say about this.

I thought that at first, but I think what they're proposing isn't prohibited by that Section.

Now, this is going to come as huge surprise but I heard an interview with Michaelia Cash this afternoon, on this subject, and she actually made some sense and was quite articulate.

Make no mistake though, I'm no fan of hers. And, I'm an atheist.

Personally, if a Catholic school wants to hire only Catholic teachers, I don't have a huge problem with that.

I wonder if the Valkies/Gordons/Franks of the world feel the same way about Muslim schools.

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Reply #13 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 7:04pm

Bam wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:15pm:

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116. Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

The Constitution may have something to say about this.

You mean the Kaffir can't claim religious rights over Ayers Rock and Mt Warning and so forth? buggar... that'll upset 'em no end... and just when they thought they had the idiots in government on the ropes.

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Reply #14 - Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 7:18pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:30pm:

Bam wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2021 at 6:15pm:

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116. Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion
The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth.

The Constitution may have something to say about this.

I thought that at first, but I think what they're proposing isn't prohibited by that Section.

Now, this is going to come as huge surprise but I heard an interview with Michaelia Cash this afternoon, on this subject, and she actually made some sense and was quite articulate.

Make no mistake though, I'm no fan of hers. And, I'm an atheist.

Personally, if a Catholic school wants to hire only Catholic teachers, I don't have a huge problem with that.

I wonder if the Valkies/Gordons/Franks of the world feel the same way about Muslim schools.

I have no problem with religious schools or institutions being able to hire people of their faith which they already do....Why do we need to waste time on a perception when there is no problem....I am agnostic by the way!!!

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