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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #120 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:44pm:

That's what Stalin said.

The USSR was never more than half the size of the US economy. China is set to double the US by 2035. Something to do with a pragmatic synthesis of capitalism and communism...as one commentator said of the results: "Wow!".

Yes. And even at half the size the USSR couldn't stand up.

It's a fallacy to think bigger is always better.

1.4 billion people are not united, as the CCP constantly trumpet (That's how you know it's propaganda - if they need to roll out the same 'unity' trope every time there's an official statement, then it's because they're not united).

And how could 1.4 billion people all think the same? That wouldn't even be true in a small Chinese village.

And you see this everywhere in politics. Ever heard: 'The Australian people think/know/understand that insert issue here .

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #121 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:51pm:

Check this out -
these internet sites are blocked in China:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_websites_blocked_in_mainland_China

It even includes:
Australia's ABC www.abc.net.au

reuters.com

bbc.co.uk (or bbc.com)

www.youtube.com

wikipedia.org

www.google.com

www.facebook.com

nytimes.com

and many, many more.

I suppose it's not as bad as Australia.
We block over 10,000 sites:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia

Two blocklists
As of October 2008, the plan includes two blocklists, the first used to filter "illegal" content, and the second used to filter additional content unsuitable for children. The first filter will be mandatory for all users of the Internet, while the second filter allows opting out. The government will not release details of the content on either list,[116] but has stated that the mandatory filter would include at least 10,000 sites, and include both the ACMA blocklist and UK's Internet Watch Foundation (IWF) blocklist. In December 2008 the IWF list caused problems when the Wikipedia article Virgin Killer was added to the list, as it prevented many people in the UK from being able to edit Wikipedia.

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #122 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #123 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:53pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

The American colonies were once British possessions.

The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #124 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:29pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

The American colonies were once British possessions.

The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

Not just that．

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..

Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #125 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:33pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

The American colonies were once British possessions.

The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

Not just that．

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..

Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton.

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #126 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 6:40pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

The American colonies were once British possessions.

The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

Not just that．

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..

Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton.

That's just first sentence from Google search. The rest couldn't be seen.

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #127 - Feb 8^th, 2022 at 6:42pm

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

The American colonies were once British possessions.

The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

Not just that．

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..

Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton.

That's just first sentence from Google search. The rest couldn't be seen.

Are you posting from China?

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #128 - Feb 9^th, 2022 at 11:31am

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:33pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 5:29pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:53pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:30pm:

Victor Sunny wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 3:25pm:

Exactly. Westerns should change the mindset when look at China.

We are. How to detach ourselves from the influence of the CCP and doing what we can to contain then suffocate the last major totalitarian regime of the 20th century.

When America was booming, did Briton try to contain America? Yes. Was that successful？No!

The American colonies were once British possessions.

The British were not trying to contain the colonies, they were trying to crush a rebellion.

Not just that．

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton,..

Couldn't read this anymore ... https://www.history.com/news/industrial-revolution-spies-europe

The emigration of cotton? People emigrate, not cotton.

That's just first sentence from Google search. The rest couldn't be seen.

Found whole sentence from article - The Spies Who Launched America’s Industrial Revolution

In order to protect its economic supremacy, the British government banned the export of textile machinery and the emigration of cotton, mohair and linen workers who operated them.

British indeed tried to contain USA from booming and failed.

This is interesting. Britain was superpower at the time and had biggest land included Canada, Australia, India, and South Africa etc. Just like today AUKUS. However, British failed to contain US to become another superpower in the world. Will history repeat itself. Let's see!

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Re: Living in China vs Living in America - Truly shock
Reply #129 - Feb 9^th, 2022 at 12:00pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 8^th, 2022 at 4:42pm:

Yes. And even at half the size the USSR couldn't stand up.It's a fallacy to think bigger is always better.

Which gets us back to the CCP goals: individual success AND common prosperity; whether Stalin said it or not, he did not achieve it, whereas every indication is China is well on the way to achieving it, while we know it's impossible for the US with its sovereign individual, 'survival of the fittest' ideology to achieve it.

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1.4 billion people are not united, as the CCP constantly trumpet (That's how you know it's propaganda - if they need to roll out the same 'unity' trope every time there's an official statement, then it's because they're not united).

90% of the population support the national government in China, cf 50% of the population (at best) in the US.

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And how could 1.4 billion people all think the same? That wouldn't even be true in a small Chinese village.

They don't all think the same, now you are being disingenuous, conflating support for their 'socialist' government with "all thinking the same".

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And you see this everywhere in politics. Ever heard: 'The Australian people think/know/understand that insert issue here .

Yes, in adversarial, two-party, Western 'democratic' rabbles aka politics, characterized by hyper-partisanship and gridlock.

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