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Reply #45 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 7:55pm
 
And China is very busy taking it up the arse in its trade war with Australia: https://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/world-markets/chinese-plan-to-cause-aust...  Grin
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Reply #46 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 11:25pm
 
Now you all know why I abhor party politics at the local level - we do not want, here in Australia, any set of government of local, state and federal by one party.

One reason I oppose party politics at the local government level, while working for the Guv on election day..... a fair broker, that's me...

We don't need no one party state here.....
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Reply #47 - Dec 1st, 2021 at 11:26pm
 
Belgarion wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 7:55pm:
And China is very busy taking it up the arse in its trade war with Australia: https://www.news.com.au/finance/markets/world-markets/chinese-plan-to-cause-aust...  Grin


Even Old White Joe has come out and said that the Chinkers are being totally silly trying to subjugate Australia... never gonna happen...
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Reply #48 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:11am
 
rhino wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 1:34pm:
Lol, iron ore hasnt "halved " in price. Its gone down 23 percent in the last year, the previous year it went up by 150 percent. Now its on the way back up , over $100 a tonne, Chinas in a no win situation due to XIs temper tantrum. Chinas economic growth is directly tied to the price of iron ore, if they want the economy to keep growing that will push up the price. A smart leader would have negotiated with Australia for a fixed price. A stupid leader would irritate the country which feeds and provides the resources for continued  economic growth. Lets talk about the price of beef too, he thought, ok we dont need Aussie beef, we will buy it from countries like Argentina, turns out demand was so high from China the Argies sold them a lot of their breeding cattle, so basically they oversold causing a shorage and now the price is also at record highs. Stupid continual emotionally based decisions by Chinas leader, hes like a child who doesnt get his own way and does not care to think through any ramifications of his behaviour. And that is the problem with the one party totalitarian system, no media scrutiny of poor decisions, dissent not allowed, thats what you end up with. XI has set back China 20 years, hes advising his people to stock up on food for goodness sake, try and spin that one.


Xi was invited into the Oz parliament a decade ago. with good relations the key.  What happened? Well paranoid Turnbull decided to kowtow to the paranoid CIA and Pentagon, to ban Huawei. It's been downhill ever since. 

The next decade will be very interesting as China's economy overtakes the US, despite the illegal containment policies of the paranoid West faced with losing global hegemony.   
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Reply #49 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:24am
 
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 1:49pm:
Great Cleavage, you are peddling a simultaneously ludicrous and sinister ideology with its risible, cloth-eared bombast.


No,  your "individual freedom" ideology IS the sinister force maintaining the status quo in our broken world. Your concept  of "freedom" amounts  to 'survival of the fittest', by definition. 

"individual freedom" must be regulated if we want  common prosperity, and a world without 70 million refugees and entrenched poverty even in the wealthiest nations.

Commonsense, really.
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Reply #50 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:34am
 
NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 2:48pm:
The cartel's greatest weakness excretes itself from the Chinese cultural value of 'saving face'; and as the cartel realises the impossibility of a successful invasion of Taiwan, it will focus on every petty bitch fight it has already got itself into (and will generate more) with regional nations. The point being, to shore up its faux sense of superiority and to prevent its loss of face with the Chinese people.


Western  paranoia re loss of US global hegemony is the cause of deteriorating relations.

US global hegemony is  based on 'survival of the fittest' instincts. Such a system cannot last.

The solution is an international rules-based system backed by eg, a UNSC without veto.

But you greedily  insist on your absolute "freedom", a peaceful, well-ordered global community be damned...
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Reply #51 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:44am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 11:25pm:
We don't need no one party state here.....


We certainly do at the federal (national ) level. If you don't agree, I will order you to attend question time in the national parliament, until such time as you beg me to escape from  the mind-destroying inanity of it all.

As for local elections (the states should be dismantled), policies attractive to the electorate should win the day. No party politics required, only capable individuals with the  policies the electorate want. 
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Reply #52 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:50am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 11:26pm:
Even Old White Joe has come out and said that the Chinkers are being totally silly trying to subjugate Australia... never gonna happen...


Well the "chinkers" are only human; and they resented their very first world-leading company in history - Huawei - being banned from international trade by a paranoid West led by the US intent on maintaining global hegemony, with significant involvement by Australia. 
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Reply #53 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 12:12pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:11am:
rhino wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 1:34pm:
Lol, iron ore hasnt "halved " in price. Its gone down 23 percent in the last year, the previous year it went up by 150 percent. Now its on the way back up , over $100 a tonne, Chinas in a no win situation due to XIs temper tantrum. Chinas economic growth is directly tied to the price of iron ore, if they want the economy to keep growing that will push up the price. A smart leader would have negotiated with Australia for a fixed price. A stupid leader would irritate the country which feeds and provides the resources for continued  economic growth. Lets talk about the price of beef too, he thought, ok we dont need Aussie beef, we will buy it from countries like Argentina, turns out demand was so high from China the Argies sold them a lot of their breeding cattle, so basically they oversold causing a shorage and now the price is also at record highs. Stupid continual emotionally based decisions by Chinas leader, hes like a child who doesnt get his own way and does not care to think through any ramifications of his behaviour. And that is the problem with the one party totalitarian system, no media scrutiny of poor decisions, dissent not allowed, thats what you end up with. XI has set back China 20 years, hes advising his people to stock up on food for goodness sake, try and spin that one.


Xi was invited into the Oz parliament a decade ago. with good relations the key.  What happened? Well paranoid Turnbull decided to kowtow to the paranoid CIA and Pentagon, to ban Huawei. It's been downhill ever since. 

The next decade will be very interesting as China's economy overtakes the US, despite the illegal containment policies of the paranoid West faced with losing global hegemony.   

Cancelling contracts is part of doing business, having a hissy fit over it (as with the French) shows immaturity. And Chinas economy overtaking the US will depend on access to resources, and those resources are Australian. Xi has actually caused a lower standard of living for his people by his actions.
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Reply #54 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 12:23pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:24am:
Frank wrote on Dec 1st, 2021 at 1:49pm:
Great Cleavage, you are peddling a simultaneously ludicrous and sinister ideology with its risible, cloth-eared bombast.


No,  your "individual freedom" ideology IS the sinister force maintaining the status quo in our broken world. Your concept  of "freedom" amounts  to 'survival of the fittest', by definition. 

"individual freedom" must be regulated if we want  common prosperity, and a world without 70 million refugees and entrenched poverty even in the wealthiest nations.

Commonsense, really.

Bollocks, really.

There are far, far more charities, benevolent societies, mutual societies, NGOs in the free West than in dog eat dog China.
People in Australia are open, friendly, helpful. In China they are cowered, suspicious, dishonest, shifty.
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Reply #55 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 2:15pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 12:23pm:
Bollocks, really.

There a far, far more charities, benevolent societies, mutual societies, NGOs in the free West than in dog eat dog China.
People in Australia are open, friendly, helpful. In China they are cowered, suspicious, dishonest, shifty.


So you think government should rely on private "charity',  to manage a successful economy? While 2  million Australians are involuntarily un- or underemployed?

Just so you can maintain your delusional (instinctive) 'survival of the fittest', 'individual freedom' ideology?

I already posted a link to a SCMP article outlining why Chinese students are increasingly preferring to live in China with its "better living conditions".

Your conception of 'freedom' is flawed, and directly responsible for our broken world.


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Reply #56 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 2:43pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 2:15pm:
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 12:23pm:
Bollocks, really.

There a far, far more charities, benevolent societies, mutual societies, NGOs in the free West than in dog eat dog China.
People in Australia are open, friendly, helpful. In China they are cowered, suspicious, dishonest, shifty.


So you think government should rely on private "charity',  to manage a successful economy? While 2  million Australians are involuntarily un- or underemployed?

Just so you can maintain your delusional (instinctive) 'survival of the fittest', 'individual freedom' ideology?

I already posted a link to a SCMP article outlining why Chinese students are increasingly preferring to live in China with its "better living conditions".

Your conception of 'freedom' is flawed, and directly responsible for our broken world.




The government doesn't own the country, the society, the economy, the people, not even the unemployed or underemployed.
This is not China.

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Reply #57 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 2:52pm
 
Id rather die on my feet than live on my knees like a China man. They are dour and sad with the struggle of life and the constant fear of accidentally saying the wrong thing and ending up in a concentration camp. They are in the process of genociding the Uyghurs who dont quite fit into their master race philosophy .China isnt progressing as a society. You should go there for a visit Cleavage, I bet you are a Uni student.
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Reply #58 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 3:10pm
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 11:34am:
The solution is an international rules-based system backed by eg, a UNSC without veto.



In other words, everyone do as China says, without veto.... yeah, right.

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Reply #59 - Dec 2nd, 2021 at 4:26pm
 
Frank wrote on Dec 2nd, 2021 at 3:10pm:
In other words, everyone do as China says, without veto.... yeah, right.


How did you come to that conclusion? China will be required to abide by the rules of an international rules-based system , backed by a UNSC without veto, like everyone else. 
The present system of "international law" of course is routinely ignored by everyone - because  your delusional "freedom" ideology prohibits the machinery eg UNSC without veto, required  to establish an internal rules based system.

Hence our continuing broken world, topped off with a nuclear arms race in the age of MAD.  Insane, actually.
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