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Always Believe the science ??
Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

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Reply #1 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:03pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

Zuby needs to be told, those who speak in absolutes are either ignorant or liars or both.

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Reply #2 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:04pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

Zuby needs to be told, those who speak in absolutes are either ignorant or liars or both.

are you referring to politicians who say

"always believe the science"?

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Reply #3 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:13pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

Zuby needs to be told, those who speak in absolutes are either ignorant or liars or both.

are you referring to politicians who say

"always believe the science"?

No... 'industries are all corrupt'.

What's his evidence? Gut feel? Or empty propaganda for sale.

It's not saying anything really... Zuby's a self-promoter of facile drivel... The idiot's smart person...

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Reply #4 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:19pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

A leading cancer scientist, eh?

The detail here is uncanny. One can see why you don't do links, dear.

Never believe the fake news media, ya?

Typical. Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong.

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Reply #5 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:33pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

A leading cancer scientist, eh?

The detail here is uncanny. One can see why you don't do links, dear.

Never believe the fake news media, ya?

Typical. Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong.

youre right

the ABC is fake news
Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/qld-professor-mark-smyth-stood-down-qimr-...

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Reply #6 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:34pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

Zuby needs to be told, those who speak in absolutes are either ignorant or liars or both.

are you referring to politicians who say

"always believe the science"?

No... 'industries are all corrupt'.

What's his evidence? Gut feel? Or empty propaganda for sale.

It's not saying anything really... Zuby's a self-promoter of facile drivel... The idiot's smart person...

zuby understands you well north

8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.

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Reply #7 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:41pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:13pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:04pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:03pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

Zuby needs to be told, those who speak in absolutes are either ignorant or liars or both.

are you referring to politicians who say

"always believe the science"?

No... 'industries are all corrupt'.

What's his evidence? Gut feel? Or empty propaganda for sale.

It's not saying anything really... Zuby's a self-promoter of facile drivel... The idiot's smart person...

zuby understands you well north

8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.

Well, that would necessarily apply to him wouldn't it.

Once you use absolutes, you're convinced. It becomes a matter of faith.

All, every, none... Faith not science.

Science is written with a pencil. Faith is carved in stone.

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Reply #8 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 12:18am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

A leading cancer scientist, eh?

The detail here is uncanny. One can see why you don't do links, dear.

Never believe the fake news media, ya?

Typical. Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong.

youre right

the ABC is fake news
Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/qld-professor-mark-smyth-stood-down-qimr-...

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

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Reply #9 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:27pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 12:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

A leading cancer scientist, eh?

The detail here is uncanny. One can see why you don't do links, dear.

Never believe the fake news media, ya?

Typical. Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong.

youre right

the ABC is fake news
Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/qld-professor-mark-smyth-stood-down-qimr-...

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

at last we can agree.

i post a link from the ABC and you call it propaganda.

congrats

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Reply #10 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 3:39pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 12:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

A leading cancer scientist, eh?

The detail here is uncanny. One can see why you don't do links, dear.

Never believe the fake news media, ya?

Typical. Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong.

youre right

the ABC is fake news
Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/qld-professor-mark-smyth-stood-down-qimr-...

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

at last we can agree.

i post a link from the ABC and you call it propaganda.

congrats

Irony ain't your thing...

Does Zuby explain how he's sure access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser?... Notwithstanding that wisdom usually comes with age...

It's like the old joke... When I was 18, my father knew nothing... Now that I'm 30, it's amazing how much dad has learned in 12 years.

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Reply #11 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 4:57pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 3:39pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 12:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

A leading cancer scientist, eh?

The detail here is uncanny. One can see why you don't do links, dear.

Never believe the fake news media, ya?

Typical. Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong.

youre right

the ABC is fake news
Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/qld-professor-mark-smyth-stood-down-qimr-...

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

at last we can agree.

i post a link from the ABC and you call it propaganda.

congrats

Irony ain't your thing...

You do like this particular switcheroo -

1. poster attempts counter-argument
2. counter argument shot down in flames
3 you, invested in 1. but not honest enough to admit 2 ("the art of being unconvincing..." etc), look at your shoes and yammer about irony and sense of humour.

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Reply #13 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 5:36pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 12:18am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:33pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 7:19pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 24^th, 2021 at 6:58pm:

A leading cancer scientist who has received tens of millions in NHMRC grants is being investigated for corruption following allegations of research misconduct.

The QIMR Berghofer Medical Research Institute announced on Tuesday it had referred its former head of immunology in cancer and infection, to the Queensland Crime and Corruption Commission.

as our wise friend Zuby noted

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

A leading cancer scientist, eh?

The detail here is uncanny. One can see why you don't do links, dear.

Never believe the fake news media, ya?

Typical. Beware the one in whom the instinct to punish is strong.

youre right

the ABC is fake news
Grin

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-24/qld-professor-mark-smyth-stood-down-qimr-...

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

at last we can agree.

i post a link from the ABC and you call it propaganda.

congrats

The quicker they sell it off to Rupert, the better.

A dollar - what the NSW government got for the sale of the Sydney Showgrounds to Fox Studios.

Its time to sell the ABC. Not only would Australia be free of a white elephant media corporation, the regions would get their farm prices and flood warnings made in the good old USA.

You can't trust locally-trained journos to make the news, dear, you need a bit of American glamour - with ads. What's wrong with Hannity?

2/ At least 20% of the population has strong authoritarian tendencies, which will emerge under the right conditions, no?

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Reply #14 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 5:42pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 4:58pm:

Frank wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 4:57pm:

3 you, invested in 1. but not honest enough to admit 2 ("the art of being unconvincing..." etc), look at your shoes and yammer about irony and sense of humour.

So I got you on the humour thing, then.

Well, I am smiling, you are shuffling and squirming. Are you having fun?

Is that funny?

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