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Re: Penny Wong
Reply #30 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:41pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

Fine - when do I start? When to I get a Minister portfolio? Oh, sorry - I'd have to suck up to one of the major parties to get that gig, and instantly fall into the same trap of being a party empty head mouth-piece and not a person of principle and character.

You could start as an independent... Then there's the 14 hour days of working for your prospective electorate...

Don't go down the Peter Garrett path who thought, like you, it would be a piece of piss...

Ha, ha - the difficulty is not in having solid policies - it is in having the coverage of them in a realistic manner, as opposed to propaganda from a tame media, and getting the general voter to move far from the established parties, as if by wandering too far they will fall over the edge of the world and into chaos.

Many simply don't think that much.

14 hour days? Piffle - no problem at all....

My basic policy platform is simple - and laid out here many times, and includes a review of immigration, politician perks and such, privatisation, and many other things.

The hard part is getting people to actually see that they are losing from those things on a daily basis, and are being taken to the cleaners.... anything too radical frightens them... Jesus - years ago the Australia whatever party terrified the electorate by having their old ladies being called Nazis for wanting to control immigration and return it to a more congenial mix rather than the current wide open madness...

Christ, son - even at local level the small fry don't get on the wahless to push their views... there is zero concept of all getting the same level of hearing so that the electorate can actually decide. When the electorate only hears from Labor or Liberal or Greens, how are they to work out the value or otherwise of the views of Independents?

Yep... Ain't so easy, when you think about.

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Re: Penny Wong
Reply #31 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:51pm

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:41pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:34pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:48pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 2:46pm:

Fine - when do I start? When to I get a Minister portfolio? Oh, sorry - I'd have to suck up to one of the major parties to get that gig, and instantly fall into the same trap of being a party empty head mouth-piece and not a person of principle and character.

You could start as an independent... Then there's the 14 hour days of working for your prospective electorate...

Don't go down the Peter Garrett path who thought, like you, it would be a piece of piss...

Ha, ha - the difficulty is not in having solid policies - it is in having the coverage of them in a realistic manner, as opposed to propaganda from a tame media, and getting the general voter to move far from the established parties, as if by wandering too far they will fall over the edge of the world and into chaos.

Many simply don't think that much.

14 hour days? Piffle - no problem at all....

My basic policy platform is simple - and laid out here many times, and includes a review of immigration, politician perks and such, privatisation, and many other things.

The hard part is getting people to actually see that they are losing from those things on a daily basis, and are being taken to the cleaners.... anything too radical frightens them... Jesus - years ago the Australia whatever party terrified the electorate by having their old ladies being called Nazis for wanting to control immigration and return it to a more congenial mix rather than the current wide open madness...

Christ, son - even at local level the small fry don't get on the wahless to push their views... there is zero concept of all getting the same level of hearing so that the electorate can actually decide. When the electorate only hears from Labor or Liberal or Greens, how are they to work out the value or otherwise of the views of Independents?

Yep... Ain't so easy, when you think about.

Believe me - I have over the years and still feel the urge to throw my hat in the ring as an Independent. Even forming a new party of sense is fraught with difficulties, such as being ousted in a palace coup, or over keeping the ball centred on the issues you want to go after while accommodating the wishes of your members, not having revolts... The Redhead Mk I tried to get around that by having members who were not members but supporters .. meaning she was essentially an Independent with a party structure.. or so they thought, but she knew better. Lead to a world of strife all around.

Honesty in political parties is difficult to erect and maintain... and like an old man, gets worse as they age.

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NorthOfNorth Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 17258 Gender:	Re: Penny Wong Reply #32 - Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:55pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2021 at 6:51pm: Believe me - I have over the years and still feel the urge to throw my hat in the ring as an Independent.. Why don't you reach out to Drew Pavlou. He's a bit young, but he wouldn't have the energy to take on the system if he wasn't.
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