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Question: Will the 6-3 SCOTUS render Roe v Wade virtually irrelevant?
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Yes, severly damaged.    
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No, virtually unscathed.    
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Undecided.....    
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6-3 CONSERVATIVE SUPREME COURT



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Judge Clarence Thomas said at his Supreme Court confirmation hearings in 1991 that he hadn’t given that much thought to whether Roe v. Wade was correctly decided.

But Justice Clarence Thomas took only months to reach a conclusion: The landmark 1973 ruling guaranteeing a woman’s right to abortion should be discarded.

“The power of a woman to abort her unborn child” is not a liberty protected by the Constitution, said a dissenting opinion from four members of the court, including Thomas.


Thus began three decades of official Thomas opposition to the notion of a constitutionally protected right to abortion.

It will reach its zenith Wednesday, December 1st, when Thomas and the most conservative Supreme Court in decades will consider a restrictive Mississippi abortion law that opponents and advocates alike agree is almost impossible to square with Roe and the precedents that have flowed from it........

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Is the United States Supreme Court poised to cause Roe v. Wade to become irrelevant....to whither on the vine....by virtually returning ultimate control over Abortion back to the individual 50 States? ...

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Reply #1 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 9:12am
 
All those guns Panther, no wonder you shoot yourself in the foot...
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Polling over the decades shows Americans consistent in their support of Roe v Wade. Overturning it is a minority political move. How could it not blow up? Please tell us Panther. It will energize the women's movement. It will energize the Democrats. It will be a cultural nuclear explosion.
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Reply #4 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 9:28am
 
Panther wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 9:24am:
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Will the 6-3 Conservative SCOTUS render Roe v Wade virtually irrelevant?


You are asking the wrong question.
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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 9:36am
 
AiA wrote on Nov 29th, 2021 at 9:24am:
Polling over the decades shows Americans consistent in their support of Roe v Wade. Overturning it is a minority political move. How could it not blow up? Please tell us Panther. It will energize the women's movement. It will energize the Democrats. It will be a cultural nuclear explosion.


If decided by SCOTUS in such a way to make Roe virtually irrelevant, & the American People vehemently disagree with the decision, then they.....The American People......are free to make abortion an actual Right via a Constitutional Amendment, & unless overturned by the People at a future date, it will be the Law of the Land going forward......

If the American People let a Pro-Life SCOTUS decision remain intact by not ratifying a Constitutional Amendment, one making the Law more to their liking, then they.....the American People.....will have voted, & by their inaction, vote to agree with SCOTUS' decision......  Wink

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Reply #6 - Dec 3rd, 2021 at 10:37am
 
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Supreme Court appears open to upholding a 15-week
Mississippi abortion ban in a major case that
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    ✪ The Supreme Court on Wednesday heard nearly two hours of arguments on the biggest abortion challenge before the court in decades.

    ✪ Mississippi has asked the court to uphold its law that bans abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy and to overturn the landmark 1973 ruling, Roe          v. Wade.

    ✪ The court’s conservative justices seemed open to Mississippi’s position.

The Supreme Court on Wednesday seemed open to upholding a 15-week abortion ban in Mississippi in a major case whose decision could ultimately overturn or curtail abortion rights established in the landmark 1973 ruling, Roe v. Wade.

The case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, centers on a 2018 Mississippi law that bans abortion after 15 weeks of pregnancy. That’s ahead of the standard set in Roe, which declared that states cannot prohibit abortion before roughly 24 weeks of pregnancy, the point when a fetus can survive outside of the womb, commonly referred to as viability.

Mississippi has asked the nation’s highest court to overrule Roe, as well as another major 1992 abortion decision, Planned Parenthood v. Casey, which established that states cannot impose an “undue burden” on abortion rights.

Scott Stewart, Mississippi’s solicitor general, opened his arguments on Wednesday by ripping into the decades-old rulings.

“They have no home in our history or traditions. They’ve damaged the democratic process. They’ve poisoned the law. They’ve choked off compromise,” he said. “No where else does this court recognize a right to end human life.”

During nearly two hours of oral arguments, the justices grappled with the potential implications of a future without Roe and Casey. The court’s conservative justices, through their questioning, appeared inclined to go somewhat in that direction.

Conservative Justice Samuel Alito questioned the viability mark.

“On the other side, the fetus has an interest in having a life,” he said. “That doesn’t change, does it, from the point before viability to the point after viability?”

The Center for Reproductive Rights’ Julie Rikelman, defending Mississippi’s sole abortion provider, Jackson Women’s Health Organization, responded: “In some people’s view it doesn’t, your honor, but what the court said is that those philosophical differences couldn’t be resolved.”

Justice Brett Kavanaugh, a Trump appointee, also brought up the interests of fetal life versus a pregnant woman on Wednesday.

“You can’t accommodate both interests. You have to pick. That’s the fundamental problem,” he said. “One interest has to prevail over the other at any given point in time, and that’s why this is so challenging.”

Kavanaugh pointed out a series of decisions in which the court overturned precedent, including ending school segregation and legalizing same-sex marriage, and questioned the role of the court.

“If we think that the prior precedents are seriously wrong, if that, why then doesn’t the history of this court’s practice with respect to those cases tell us that the right answer is actually a return to the position of neutrality?” Kavanaugh asked. “Why should this court be the arbiter rather than Congress?”

Justice Amy Coney Barrett, the newest member of the court, commented on whether “safe haven laws,” which allow parents to surrender their baby to designated places, such as hospitals, for adoption, matter when considering the “burdens of parenting” discussed in Roe and Casey.

“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” Barrett asked Rikelman.

Rikelman followed up by arguing that the court already considered a woman’s ability to place a child up for adoption when it decided Roe, and that forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term “itself is unique.”

“It imposes unique physical demands and risk on women and in fact has impact on all of their lives, on their ability to care for other children, other family members, on their ability to work,” she said.

Ahead of Wednesday’s arguments, legal scholars told Insider that they expect Barrett and Kavanaugh to have outsized influence over the ruling, with one of them making the deciding vote that could determine the fate of abortion rights in the country.

Chief Justice John Roberts, usually the most moderate of the court’s conservatives, also signaled a willingness to uphold Mississippi’s law but offered a narrower view of the case, focusing on the 15-week ban rather than Roe.

“The point you made about the impact on women and their place in society, those words are certainly made in Roe as well. What we have before us though is a 15-week standard,” Roberts told Rikelman.

“Viability, it seems to me, has nothing to do with choice,” he went on, asking: “If it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” ......
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Americans overwhelming support Roe v Wade. The losers, in the long run, will be the minority who are behind this.
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AiA wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 10:42am:
Americans overwhelming support Roe v Wade. The losers, in the long run, will be the minority who are behind this.


Well, then your overwhelming Majority of Americans have the Constitutional Right to offer & ratify a Constitutional Amendment that would make Abortion an 'actual' Constitutional Right, slamming the door on, as you see it, the loser minority. 

I think you seem to forget........America isn't a Democracy, in a true sense, where the majority always triumphs over the minority.....America is a Republic.  Wink

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Panther wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 10:55am:
AiA wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 10:42am:
Americans overwhelming support Roe v Wade. The losers, in the long run, will be the minority who are behind this.


Well, then your overwhelming Majority of Americans have the Constitutional Right to offer & ratify a Constitutional Amendment that would make Abortion an 'actual' Constitutional Right, slamming the door on, as you see it, the loser minority. 

I think you seem to forget........America isn't a Democracy, in a true sense, where the majority always triumphs over the minority.....America is a Republic.  Wink



Blah blah blah. Americans overwhelmingly support Roe v Wade. In the long run, overturning it will energize both the women's movement and the Democrats. Also, there will be many more unwanted black babies born as white women will either go to another state for an abortion or get the abortion pill via mail order. Another nail in the coffin of the GOP if you ask me. But sure, in the short-term, it will give them a boost - no doubt.
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AiA wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 11:10am:
Panther wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 10:55am:
AiA wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 10:42am:
Americans overwhelming support Roe v Wade. The losers, in the long run, will be the minority who are behind this.


Well, then your overwhelming Majority of Americans have the Constitutional Right to offer & ratify a Constitutional Amendment that would make Abortion an 'actual' Constitutional Right, slamming the door on, as you see it, the loser minority. 

I think you seem to forget........America isn't a Democracy, in a true sense, where the majority always triumphs over the minority.....America is a Republic.  Wink



Blah blah blah. Americans overwhelmingly support Roe v Wade. In the long run, overturning it will energize both the women's movement and the Democrats. Also, there will be many more unwanted black babies born as white women will either go to another state for an abortion or get the abortion pill via mail order. Another nail in the coffin of the GOP if you ask me. But sure, in the short-term, it will give them a boost - no doubt.


Polling says the majority prefers Abortion...death/abortion over life.


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https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/jh5...

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SCOTUS will not touch Roe to any significant degree.  Maybe some token tinkering on term but nothing else.
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Reply #12 - Dec 4th, 2021 at 12:24pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 1:08pm:
SCOTUS will not touch Roe to any significant degree.  Maybe some token tinkering on term but nothing else.


Maybe.....Maybe Not..........Bottom Line is whatever the Supreme Court's decision, their decision becomes the Law of the Land until either a subsequent Supreme Court determines otherwise, or the American People ratify a Constitutional Amendment regarding Abortion, in accordance with the Ratification Process outlined in
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Reply #13 - Dec 11th, 2021 at 6:41pm
 
To quote Sr Joan Chittister, Benedictine nun:

"I do not believe that just because you are opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, a child educated, a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."

Ron Schenck, evangelical minister and former anti-abortion leader and activist says:

"What is “pro-life” about putting a woman in a situation where she must risk pregnancy without proper medical, social and emotional support? What is “pro-life” about forcing the birth of a child, if that child will enter a world of deprivation and insecurity, to say nothing of the fear, anxiety and danger that comes with poverty and a lack of educational and employment opportunities?"

This is the hypocrisy of the"pro-life" movement. They don't give a s.hit about the life after it's born. They price people with pre existing conditions out of healthcare, they continue to pass anti-choice laws when multiple studies show states with the most anti-choice laws have the highest maternal and infant mortality rates, they cut funding to programs that feed hungry children.
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Reply #14 - Dec 11th, 2021 at 9:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Dec 3rd, 2021 at 1:08pm:
SCOTUS will not touch Roe to any significant degree.  Maybe some token tinkering on term but nothing else.


They do not have to.

All they need to do is what they have done 5-4 here.

They have allowed the bounty hunter law to stand and Row v Wade just doesn't matter there is a work around that allows states to ignore the law under precedent.

The part of the prosecution allowed to continue cannot impact this.
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