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Reply #45 - Dec 28^th, 2021 at 12:00am

Panther wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 9:01am:

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 3:28pm:

Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Why do advocates of free speech and Freedom want to remove a woman's right to make her own decisions???

Huh

Nobody is taking away her right. Nobody was policing her decision to fccky-fccky.

But when another life is at stake the decision is not hers alone. Late pregnancy abortion, for example, when a viable birth is possible, is efectively infanticide. That should not be her right.

If the Mississippi Law is sustained by the United States Supreme Court, it will help save lives....lives of the yet unborn, maybe not all, but it would be a solid start back in the Right direction........by effectively returning the Right to impose the People's will to govern over abortion, back to the States, as it was prior to Roe v Wade, when each State determined restrictions on abortion, if any at all.

At the end of the day, if the Mississippi Law is sustained by SCOTUS, women, in the State of Mississippi, will still be able to kill the unborn lives within them, but only until a heartbeat can be detected, or 15 weeks, whichever comes first.

In other words - flush the 14th amendment down the "s" bend.

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Reply #46 - Dec 28^th, 2021 at 8:21am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 3:28pm:

Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Why do advocates of free speech and Freedom want to remove a woman's right to make her own decisions???

Huh

Nobody is taking away her right. Nobody was policing her decision to fccky-fccky.

But when another life is at stake the decision is not hers alone. Late pregnancy abortion, for example, when a viable birth is possible, is efectively infanticide. That should not be her right.

You judged all woman with your first rant....What about rape, incest, health issues and an individuals personal circumstances???

It is the woman that has to live with the decision she makes....Who's right should it be to make decisions about a woman's own body and future???

Huh

Abortion is not about her body primarily. Abortion is terminating a life and it's not her life and body that is terminated.

You carefully avoud my original question - Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Duckwit compared adoption to mass shooting and abortion to sensible gun control. That is idiotic.

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Reply #47 - Dec 28^th, 2021 at 9:21am

Frank wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 8:21am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 3:28pm:

Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Why do advocates of free speech and Freedom want to remove a woman's right to make her own decisions???

Huh

Nobody is taking away her right. Nobody was policing her decision to fccky-fccky.

But when another life is at stake the decision is not hers alone. Late pregnancy abortion, for example, when a viable birth is possible, is efectively infanticide. That should not be her right.

You judged all woman with your first rant....What about rape, incest, health issues and an individuals personal circumstances???

It is the woman that has to live with the decision she makes....Who's right should it be to make decisions about a woman's own body and future???

Huh

Abortion is not about her body primarily. Abortion is terminating a life and it's not her life and body that is terminated.

You carefully avoud my original question - Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Duckwit compared adoption to mass shooting and abortion to sensible gun control. That is idiotic.

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compared adoption to mass shooting and abortion to sensible gun control. That is idiotic.

You are the only one who has said this and it came from your own comprehension failure.

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Could be the same reason as

was the statement made - The reason is the constitution.

I am not personally hard on pro Life or pro choice but in the USA their 14th amendment supports pro choice and takes the option away from the state making it a personal decision.

From your choices I would choose adoption but the US state can not force this decision on women without changing their constitution.

Or as in gun control have the supreme court come down with a bogus re definition of the clause in the constitution to change the meaning of the words in the constitution and to set this as the precedent.

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Reply #48 - Dec 28^th, 2021 at 9:26am

Frank wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 8:21am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 3:28pm:

Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Why do advocates of free speech and Freedom want to remove a woman's right to make her own decisions???

Huh

Nobody is taking away her right. Nobody was policing her decision to fccky-fccky.

But when another life is at stake the decision is not hers alone. Late pregnancy abortion, for example, when a viable birth is possible, is efectively infanticide. That should not be her right.

You judged all woman with your first rant....What about rape, incest, health issues and an individuals personal circumstances???

It is the woman that has to live with the decision she makes....Who's right should it be to make decisions about a woman's own body and future???

Huh

Abortion is not about her body primarily. Abortion is terminating a life and it's not her life and body that is terminated.

You carefully avoid my original question - Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Duckwit compared adoption to mass shooting and abortion to sensible gun control. That is idiotic.

You carefully avoid my question???

In a perfect world one would hope abortion was never an option....However it is the woman who has to make the decision based on her circumstances and live with her choice....Better counselling and more support would make a difference however nothing is free in America....Adoption should certainly be an option that is available and promoted by the health authorities???

Huh

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Reply #49 - Dec 28^th, 2021 at 9:30am

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 3:28pm:

Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Why do advocates of free speech and Freedom want to remove a woman's right to make her own decisions???

Huh

Nobody is taking away her right. Nobody was policing her decision to fccky-fccky.

But when another life is at stake the decision is not hers alone. Late pregnancy abortion, for example, when a viable birth is possible, is effectively infanticide. That should not be her right.

Its not her right in the USA. Roe V Wade extended Women's choice to 24 weeks.

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Reply #50 - Dec 28^th, 2021 at 9:31am

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 9:26am:

Frank wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 8:21am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 3:28pm:

Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Why do advocates of free speech and Freedom want to remove a woman's right to make her own decisions???

Huh

Nobody is taking away her right. Nobody was policing her decision to fccky-fccky.

But when another life is at stake the decision is not hers alone. Late pregnancy abortion, for example, when a viable birth is possible, is efectively infanticide. That should not be her right.

You judged all woman with your first rant....What about rape, incest, health issues and an individuals personal circumstances???

It is the woman that has to live with the decision she makes....Who's right should it be to make decisions about a woman's own body and future???

Huh

Abortion is not about her body primarily. Abortion is terminating a life and it's not her life and body that is terminated.

You carefully avoid my original question - Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Duckwit compared adoption to mass shooting and abortion to sensible gun control. That is idiotic.

You carefully avoid my question???

In a perfect world one would hope abortion was never an option....However it is the woman who has to make the decision based on her circumstances and live with her choice....Better counselling and more support would make a difference however nothing is free in America....Adoption should certainly be an option that is available and promoted by the health authorities???

Huh

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Adoption should certainly be an option that is available and promoted by the health authorities???

It is.

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Reply #51 - Dec 28^th, 2021 at 12:11pm

Dnarever wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 9:31am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 9:26am:

Frank wrote on Dec 28^th, 2021 at 8:21am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 8:49am:

Frank wrote on Dec 27^th, 2021 at 7:56am:

philperth2010 wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 11:36pm:

Frank wrote on Dec 26^th, 2021 at 3:28pm:

Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Why do advocates of free speech and Freedom want to remove a woman's right to make her own decisions???

Huh

Nobody is taking away her right. Nobody was policing her decision to fccky-fccky.

But when another life is at stake the decision is not hers alone. Late pregnancy abortion, for example, when a viable birth is possible, is efectively infanticide. That should not be her right.

You judged all woman with your first rant....What about rape, incest, health issues and an individuals personal circumstances???

It is the woman that has to live with the decision she makes....Who's right should it be to make decisions about a woman's own body and future???

Huh

Abortion is not about her body primarily. Abortion is terminating a life and it's not her life and body that is terminated.

You carefully avoid my original question - Why is abortion preferable to adoption?

Duckwit compared adoption to mass shooting and abortion to sensible gun control. That is idiotic.

You carefully avoid my question???

In a perfect world one would hope abortion was never an option....However it is the woman who has to make the decision based on her circumstances and live with her choice....Better counselling and more support would make a difference however nothing is free in America....Adoption should certainly be an option that is available and promoted by the health authorities???

Huh

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Adoption should certainly be an option that is available and promoted by the health authorities???

It is.

As it should be....The new laws in Texas might see the system needing to be expanded???

Huh

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1042209230/federal-judge-weighs-in-on-biden-admin...

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Reply #53 - Jan 18^th, 2022 at 11:13am

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Some States Move to Protect Abortion Rights
in Face of Challenge at Supreme Court

Source: ABC
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While the U.S. Supreme Court considers a case that could potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, some states are enacting or discussing protections for reproductive rights.

This week, New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy signed a bill that codifies the right to an abortion, previously recognized by the state Supreme Court, into state law.

The so-called Freedom of Reproductive Choice Act, which quickly passed through the state legislature after first introduced on Jan. 6, grew out of concern that the conservative-leaning high court could overturn or limit Roe in the coming months through its decision on a Mississippi case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, that asks the justices to directly reconsider the nearly 50-year precedent......continued

Just as I thought would happen.........States are passing their own Abortion Legislation, proving to an observing SCOTUS that the way to go is to overturn Roe v. Wade, & return abortion decisions back to the States just as it was before Roe 'created' a Constitutional Right that can be found nowhere in the US Constitution before it was 'created' by the 70's Court's decision.

Abortion is, & should have always been, a State's Issue, as before Roe!

Or leave it up to a Joe Biden Wishful Hallucination......

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Reply #54 - Jan 18^th, 2022 at 11:16am

Panther wrote on Jan 18^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

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Some States Move to Protect Abortion Rights
in Face of Challenge at Supreme Court

Source: ABC
Quote:

While the U.S. Supreme Court considers a case that could potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, some states are enacting or discussing protections for reproductive rights.

This week, New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy signed a bill that codifies the right to an abortion, previously recognized by the state Supreme Court, into state law.

The so-called Freedom of Reproductive Choice Act, which quickly passed through the state legislature after first introduced on Jan. 6, grew out of concern that the conservative-leaning high court could overturn or limit Roe in the coming months through its decision on a Mississippi case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, that asks the justices to directly reconsider the nearly 50-year precedent......continued

Just as I thought would happen.........States are passing their own Abortion Legislation, proving to an observing SCOTUS that the way to go is to overturn Roe v. Wade, & return abortion decisions back to the States just as it was before Roe 'created' a Constitutional Right that can be found nowhere in the US Constitution before it was 'created' by the 70's Court's decision.

Abortion is, & should have always been, a State's Issue, as before Roe! https://i.imgur.com/oAMLT1C.gif

Why does the long issue of "State's Rights" make you hard, Panther? That is what I want to know.

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Reply #55 - Jan 18^th, 2022 at 12:03pm

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Abortion always was, & should revert back to being, a State's Issue.

Source: THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION
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Amendment X (1791)

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Abortion, & the power of the Federal Government to regulate it, doesn't exist in the US Constitution, & it never has.....Therefore, according to the 10th Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

A concept the 'Baby Killing Left' can never seem to get a grip on.....

Don't like it?

Then propose an Amendment you'd prefer to the United States Constitution, & pass it out of Congress to the States for ratification, & then let the American People decide by amending the Constitution via the process the Founding Fathers intended for such resolution......

You're an American Citizen aren't you AiA? You can vote, can't you?.......Why not express your glee in voting for an Amendment that would make killing the unborn legal across all the United States.

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Reply #56 - Jan 18^th, 2022 at 12:35pm

AiA wrote on Jan 18^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

Panther wrote on Jan 18^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

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Some States Move to Protect Abortion Rights
in Face of Challenge at Supreme Court

Source: ABC
Quote:

While the U.S. Supreme Court considers a case that could potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, some states are enacting or discussing protections for reproductive rights.

This week, New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy signed a bill that codifies the right to an abortion, previously recognized by the state Supreme Court, into state law.

The so-called Freedom of Reproductive Choice Act, which quickly passed through the state legislature after first introduced on Jan. 6, grew out of concern that the conservative-leaning high court could overturn or limit Roe in the coming months through its decision on a Mississippi case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, that asks the justices to directly reconsider the nearly 50-year precedent......continued

Just as I thought would happen.........States are passing their own Abortion Legislation, proving to an observing SCOTUS that the way to go is to overturn Roe v. Wade, & return abortion decisions back to the States just as it was before Roe 'created' a Constitutional Right that can be found nowhere in the US Constitution before it was 'created' by the 70's Court's decision.

Abortion is, & should have always been, a State's Issue, as before Roe! https://i.imgur.com/oAMLT1C.gif

Why does the long issue of "State's Rights" make you hard, Panther? That is what I want to know.

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as it was before Roe 'created' a Constitutional Right that can be found nowhere in the US Constitution before it was 'created' by the 70's Court's decision.

The woman's right is protected by the 14th amendment. It is the right that protects citizens right to make their own decisions regarding their personal life. This has been found many times to include decisions on family and reproduction. This guarantees there will be no interference from the state.

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Reply #57 - Jan 18^th, 2022 at 12:52pm

Dnarever wrote on Jan 18^th, 2022 at 12:35pm:

AiA wrote on Jan 18^th, 2022 at 11:16am:

Panther wrote on Jan 18^th, 2022 at 11:13am:

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Some States Move to Protect Abortion Rights
in Face of Challenge at Supreme Court

Source: ABC
Quote:

While the U.S. Supreme Court considers a case that could potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, some states are enacting or discussing protections for reproductive rights.

This week, New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy signed a bill that codifies the right to an abortion, previously recognized by the state Supreme Court, into state law.

The so-called Freedom of Reproductive Choice Act, which quickly passed through the state legislature after first introduced on Jan. 6, grew out of concern that the conservative-leaning high court could overturn or limit Roe in the coming months through its decision on a Mississippi case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, that asks the justices to directly reconsider the nearly 50-year precedent......continued

Just as I thought would happen.........States are passing their own Abortion Legislation, proving to an observing SCOTUS that the way to go is to overturn Roe v. Wade, & return abortion decisions back to the States just as it was before Roe 'created' a Constitutional Right that can be found nowhere in the US Constitution before it was 'created' by the 70's Court's decision.

Abortion is, & should have always been, a State's Issue, as before Roe! https://i.imgur.com/oAMLT1C.gif

Why does the long issue of "State's Rights" make you hard, Panther? That is what I want to know.

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as it was before Roe 'created' a Constitutional Right that can be found nowhere in the US Constitution before it was 'created' by the 70's Court's decision.

The woman's right is protected by the 14th amendment. It is the right that protects citizens right to make their own decisions regarding their personal life. This has been found many times to include decisions on family and reproduction. This guarantees there will be no interference from the state.

Well, at least yer tryin' Daffy.......

Let's see what the present day Supreme Court decides......If they agree/concur with the reasoning of the 1970's SCOTUS, then maybe you 'might' have a chance.....

BUT........
if they disagree, & overturn Roe v. Wade, case closed....it's back to the States, & IMHO a large majority of States will either outright ban abortion, or severely restrict abortion, leaving only about a dozen States supporting abortion the way it is today.

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Reply #58 - Feb 24^th, 2022 at 9:34am

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The United States Supreme Court is inching closer to a decision regarding Abortion, due by July this year.

Is Abortion a States Issue?

Will the Court leave some portions of Roe intact, while returning the power to restrict Abortion back to the individual States, as it was prior to Roe v. Wade & Casey?

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Reply #59 - Feb 24^th, 2022 at 11:52am

Panther wrote on Feb 24^th, 2022 at 9:34am:

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The United States Supreme Court is inching closer to a decision regarding Abortion, due by July this year.

Is Abortion a States Issue?

Will the Court leave some portions of Roe intact, while returning the power to restrict Abortion back to the individual States, as it was prior to Roe v. Wade & Casey?

Allowing individual states to choose to breach rights guaranteed in the constitution opens a big door, goodbye to the second amendment is on the table in the same manner.

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