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Reply #60 - Feb 24th, 2022 at 1:04pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 11:52am:
Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 9:34am:
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The United States Supreme Court is inching closer to a decision regarding Abortion, due by July this year.

Is Abortion a States Issue?

Will the Court leave some portions of Roe intact, while returning the power to restrict Abortion back to the individual States, as it was prior to Roe v. Wade & Casey?




Allowing individual states to choose to breach rights guaranteed in the constitution opens a big door, goodbye to the second amendment is on the table in the same manner.


Please quote the US Constitution, you know the place where it says that a woman has a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb.


Pssssst........save yer time......you won't find it......it doesn't exist.......it never existed.... & unless the American People Amend their/my Constitution, it never will....


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Reply #61 - Feb 24th, 2022 at 3:13pm
 
Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 11:52am:
Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 9:34am:
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The United States Supreme Court is inching closer to a decision regarding Abortion, due by July this year.

Is Abortion a States Issue?

Will the Court leave some portions of Roe intact, while returning the power to restrict Abortion back to the individual States, as it was prior to Roe v. Wade & Casey?




Allowing individual states to choose to breach rights guaranteed in the constitution opens a big door, goodbye to the second amendment is on the table in the same manner.


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Please quote the US Constitution, you know the place where it says that a woman has a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb.
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Pssssst........save yer time......you won't find it......it doesn't exist.......it never existed.... & unless the American People Amend their/my Constitution, it never will....


God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
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God Bless
The United States Constitution
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God Bless
AMERICA
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God Bless
The United States Constitution
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God Bless
AMERICA
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God Bless
The United States Constitution
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AMERICA
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Please quote the US Constitution, you know the place where it says that a woman has a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb.


Firstly your premise is flawed, a baby is not unborn. Before birth it may zygote which becomes an embryo then fetus until birth.

The 14th amendment is agreed to mean that the state has no role in family planning. The ruling finds that a legitimate state interest does not exist before the 24th week when the fetus may be viable.



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Roe v. Wade, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on January 22, 1973, ruled (7–2) that unduly restrictive state regulation of abortion is unconstitutional. In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry A. Blackmun, the Court held that a set of Texas statutes criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a woman’s constitutional right of privacy, which it found to be implicit in the liberty guarantee of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment
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Re: ⮞ ⮞ SCOTUS - MISSISSIPPI ABORTION CASE ⮜ ⮜
Reply #62 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 11:22am
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 3:13pm:
Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 11:52am:
Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 9:34am:
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The United States Supreme Court is inching closer to a decision regarding Abortion, due by July this year.

Is Abortion a States Issue?

Will the Court leave some portions of Roe intact, while returning the power to restrict Abortion back to the individual States, as it was prior to Roe v. Wade & Casey?




Allowing individual states to choose to breach rights guaranteed in the constitution opens a big door, goodbye to the second amendment is on the table in the same manner.


[size=12
Please quote the US Constitution, you know the place where it says that a woman has a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb.
[/size]

Pssssst........save yer time......you won't find it......it doesn't exist.......it never existed.... & unless the American People Amend their/my Constitution, it never will....


God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
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God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
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AMERICA
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Please quote the US Constitution, you know the place where it says that a woman has a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb.


Firstly your premise is flawed, a baby is not unborn. Before birth it may zygote which becomes an embryo then fetus until birth.

The 14th amendment is agreed to mean that the state has no role in family planning. The ruling finds that a legitimate state interest does not exist before the 24th week when the fetus may be viable.



Quote:
Roe v. Wade, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on January 22, 1973, ruled (7–2) that unduly restrictive state regulation of abortion is unconstitutional. In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry A. Blackmun, the Court held that a set of Texas statutes criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a woman’s constitutional right of privacy, which it found to be implicit in the liberty guarantee of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment


So, as I thought, there was never a Right that a woman had a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb, only what the Left has been using in lieu of the non-existent Right.......

This interpretation is exactly what the United States Supreme Court will be deciding upon, & many believe as I, that they won't gut Roe......women will still be able kill murder the unborn Baby in their womb.....regardless what the Left want's to call it......how many women are asked do you know the sex of your embryo or zygote?......no they are always asked do you know the sex of your BABY?.....they are never asked when their embryo or zygote is due, but they are always asked when is their BABY due?.......to which they will respond my BABY is due on....Why??....because that's what it is a BABY to the woman carrying it, & to those referring to it......

So, as many are predicting, SCOTUS will hopefully decide that the previous Court erred, & the States will be, as before the gross error, the States will resume being able to determine when, & if, the women in each one of the individual 50 States gets their wish.

Remember, there isn't any appeal of a SCOTUS decision, it can only be changed if a future court over-rules the previous decision, or if the American People will amend their Constitution to say otherwise ......



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Reply #63 - May 5th, 2022 at 5:19pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 3:13pm:
Panther wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 1:04pm:
Dnarever wrote on Feb 24th, 2022 at 11:52am:
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The United States Supreme Court is inching closer to a decision regarding Abortion, due by July this year.

Is Abortion a States Issue?

Will the Court leave some portions of Roe intact, while returning the power to restrict Abortion back to the individual States, as it was prior to Roe v. Wade & Casey?




Allowing individual states to choose to breach rights guaranteed in the constitution opens a big door, goodbye to the second amendment is on the table in the same manner.


[size=12
Please quote the US Constitution, you know the place where it says that a woman has a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb.
[/size]

Pssssst........save yer time......you won't find it......it doesn't exist.......it never existed.... & unless the American People Amend their/my Constitution, it never will....


God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
............
God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
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God Bless
The United States Constitution
............
God Bless
AMERICA
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God Bless
The United States Constitution
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God Bless
AMERICA
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God Bless
The United States Constitution
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AMERICA
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Please quote the US Constitution, you know the place where it says that a woman has a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb.


Firstly your premise is flawed, a baby is not unborn. Before birth it may zygote which becomes an embryo then fetus until birth.

The 14th amendment is agreed to mean that the state has no role in family planning. The ruling finds that a legitimate state interest does not exist before the 24th week when the fetus may be viable.



Quote:
Roe v. Wade, legal case in which the U.S. Supreme Court on January 22, 1973, ruled (7–2) that unduly restrictive state regulation of abortion is unconstitutional. In a majority opinion written by Justice Harry A. Blackmun, the Court held that a set of Texas statutes criminalizing abortion in most instances violated a woman’s constitutional right of privacy, which it found to be implicit in the liberty guarantee of the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment


So, as I thought, there was never a Right that a woman had a guaranteed Right to Kill Murder the unborn baby in her womb, only what the Left has been using in lieu of the non-existent Right.......

This interpretation is exactly what the United States Supreme Court will be deciding upon, & many believe as I, that they won't gut Roe......women will still be able kill murder the unborn
Baby
in their womb.....

Regardless what the Left want's to call it......how many women are asked do you know the sex of your embryo or zygote?......no they are always asked do you know the sex of your
BABY
?
.....they are never asked when their embryo or zygote is due, but they are always asked when is their
BABY
due?.......to which they will respond my
BABY
is due on....Why??....because that's what it is a
BABY
to the woman carrying it, & to those referring to it
......

So, as many are predicting, SCOTUS will hopefully decide that the previous Court erred, & the States will be, as before the gross error, the States will resume being able to determine when, & if, the women in each one of the individual 50 States gets their wish.

Remember, there isn't any appeal of a SCOTUS decision, it can only be changed if a future court over-rules the previous decision, or if the American People will amend their Constitution to say otherwise ......




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Reply #64 - May 5th, 2022 at 5:29pm
 
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Reply #65 - May 5th, 2022 at 5:30pm
 
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U.S. Supreme Court Set to
Overturn the Roe v. Wade Abortion Rights Decision


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The 6-3 Conservative US Supreme Court


Source:      
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WASHINGTON, May 2 (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court looks set to vote to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion nationwide, according to a leaked initial draft majority opinion published by Politico on Monday.

The unprecedented leak from the conservative-majority Supreme Court sent shock waves through the United States, not least because the court prides itself on keeping its internal deliberations secret and leaks are extremely uncommon.

Reuters was not able to confirm the authenticity of the draft. The Supreme Court and the White House declined to comment.

“Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” conservative Justice Samuel Alito wrote in the draft opinion which is dated Feb. 10, according to Politico,
which posted a copy online.


Based on Alito's opinion, the court would find that the Roe v. Wade decision that allowed abortions performed before a fetus would be viable outside the womb - between 24 and 28 weeks of pregnancy - was wrongly decided because the U.S. Constitution makes no specific mention of abortion rights.

"Abortion presents a profound moral question. The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each state from regulating or prohibiting abortion," Alito said, according to the leaked document.

The news broke a little more than six months before the mid-term elections that will determine if Democrats hold their razor-thin majorities in the U.S. Congress for the next two years of President Joe Biden's term in office.

Abortion is one of the most divisive issues in U.S. politics and has been for nearly a half century.

Republican Senator Tom Cotton said: "...Roe was egregiously wrong from the beginning & I pray the Court follows the Constitution & allows the states to once again protect unborn life."

Four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett - voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices, the report added.

After an initial vote among the justices following an oral argument, one is assigned the majority opinion and writes a draft. It is then circulated among the justices.

At times, in between the initial vote and the ruling being released, the vote alignment can change. A ruling is only final when it is published by the court.

The court, which has a 6-3 conservative majority, heard oral arguments in December on Mississippi's bid to revive its ban on abortion starting at 15 weeks of pregnancy, a law blocked by lower courts.

It appeared based on December's oral argument that a majority was inclined to uphold Mississippi's abortion ban and that there could be five votes to overturn Roe.......


I believe that the Court may still leave some of the original Roe v Wade decision stand, but as I stated in more than one earlier post, I still hope & believe that the Court will return the abortion issue back to the States, as it was pre-Roe v. Wade of 1973, at the very least, giving each individual State the right & power to set all abortion rules according to the will of their individual State's own voters.....& out of the grasp of the Federal Government, bar a successful Constitutional Amendment, agreed to by a majority of  American Voters in 38 of the 50 United States....75% of all the States, stating anything otherwise.
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Reply #67 - May 5th, 2022 at 6:02pm
 
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It's just a first, very important, step to return legislation back to the Congress & the States as stated in the Constitution, & reverse the 1973 Court's error, where the Court 'legislated' a Right that never was, into the US Constitution.

Now a woman's desire to kill the baby within her will depend on her State's or Congress' legislation, because there is not now, & never was, a Constitutional Right to an abortion, as the 1973 Supreme Court errantly decided....creating a fictitious 'New' Right.....overstepping its own powers granted it by the US Constitution & the Judiciary Act of 1789.


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Reply #68 - May 5th, 2022 at 7:32pm
 
Panther wrote on May 5th, 2022 at 6:02pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2022 at 5:32pm:


It's just a first, very important, step to return legislation back to the Congress & the States as stated in the Constitution, & reverse the 1973 Court's error, where the Court 'legislated' a Right that never was, into the US Constitution.

Now a woman's desire to kill the baby within her will depend on her State's or Congress' legislation, because there is not now, & never was, a Constitutional Right to an abortion, as the 1973 Supreme Court errantly decided....creating a fictitious 'New' Right.....overstepping its own powers granted it by the US Constitution & the Judiciary Act of 1789.




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step to return legislation back to the Congress & the States as stated in the Constitution, & reverse the 1973 Court's error, where the Court 'legislated' a Right that never was, into the US Constitution.


So the ruling is in breach of the ninth amendment then ?

The right need to be careful with this there are so many rights that are not protected directly in the constitution. This ruling puts them all on the table.

The ruling also puts the Justices in some jeopardy when at least 3 republican supreme court Justices clearly lied or perjured themselves in their appointment hearings.

They have brought the supreme court into disrepute.

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Reply #70 - May 5th, 2022 at 10:46pm
 
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The Ninth Amendment was James Madison’s attempt to ensure that the Bill of Rights was not seen as granting to the people of the United States only the specific rights it addressed. In recent years, some have interpreted it as affirming the existence of such “unenumerated” rights outside those expressly protected by the Bill of Rights.


The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/ninth_amendment


Justice Samuel Alito and 4 Others supported this view.

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The court must overturn Roe, Alito argues, because "[t]he Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision . . . including the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment."


In the Above justification for Alito's position he is correct there isn't in the 14th amendment. But it is what the ninth amendment is all about.

Alito is saying that Roe v Wade must be overturned because there is no such right directly protected in the constitution when the ninth amendment is clearly saying that it does not have to be.

Alito's draft ruling appears to be in clear breach of the ninth amendment.




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Our American Founding Fathers knew from the very start that the Constitution they were giving the American People was not 'perfect', & there would come times when America would need changes or additions to the Supreme Law, so they had  the foresight to provide a process for the People  to do just that.....to change the People's Sacred Document.....The United States Constitution.

If the American People wish to change or add to what the US Constitution says, then they have the Right & ability to amend the US Constitution by the process outlined just for that specific purpose within our Founding Document itself.....Article V of the US Constitution.

If the American People truly do want Abortion Rights, then they could follow the process, & make it so.....make it a Right of the People by amending the Constitution to say just that.....& if agreed to by the requisite numbers in Congress (2/3rds of both the House & Senate), & 75% of the US States (38 of the 50), it will become the Law of the Land without need of defining....


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Reply #74 - May 6th, 2022 at 12:16pm
 
The forefathers never seen the prospect of a corrupt supreme court or provided a workable remedy.

The Republicans have worked corruptly for at least 30 years to produce a supreme court stacked with corrupt anti Roe v Wade religious zealots willing to tell lies in the appointment hearings for the purpose of overturning this long established right.
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