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Reply #15 - Dec 20^th, 2021 at 8:02am

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 19^th, 2021 at 3:48pm:

scope wrote on Dec 19^th, 2021 at 6:36am:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 18^th, 2021 at 5:44pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 17^th, 2021 at 6:39pm:

FIRSTLY, there is no such body as "Physicians of the World"

Look who's splitting hairs.

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SECONDLY, as with these "Maverick Medics" - there are a similar minute number of "scientists" who will tell you "climate change is not happening" - despite ALL data saying otherwise

In BOTH cases, I go with the data - and the scientific evidence
As opposed to the personal opinion of an number of anti-vax GP's

If I found out my OWN personal general practitioner was anti-science, anti-medication - and anti-vaccination - well, frankly, I'd be seeking out ANOTHER

But opinions ASIDE - COVID19 vaccination rates in Australia, clearly show that the misinformative scare campaign mounted by anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists was a waste of EVERYONE's yours INCLUDED

What a joke. Ignoring highly experienced and qualified medical professionals just because what they say doesn't fit the narrative is not science. Far form it.

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I's time you got back to your core value conspiracy theories

Did you know the term 'conspiracy theory' was created by the CIA for the purpose of ridiculing those who rejected the findings of the Warren Commission?

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Moon landings were FAKED

"Chemtrails" are there for mass sterilisation

Keeping tabs on the Illuminati - and Freemasons plots

Alerting the world to the Hilary Clinton 'baby brothel'
operating from behind a pizza take-out in Manhattan

Joe Biden using secret NASA weather machines, to create tornados in Republican states

... and back to vaccines, what's the latest on those microchips included - as tracking devices
- in preparation for "One World Government"

You forgot 9/11.

Because we've debated that and you lost.

You cant help yourself can you? You believe anything that fits your narrative, thats why
Di kheads like you cant never win an argument.

The term conspiracy theory was first used back in 1870. So once again the BS you write has been exposed as "wanting" Grin

We wait with baited breath to see the next piece of crap you post. Grin

Your naivete is showing.

To think the CIA would admit that.

The only one being naive here is you, funny how conspiracy theory has been in print since 1870, but I suppose the CIA made those books that used the term.

The Oxford English Dictionary defines conspiracy theory as "the theory that an event or phenomenon occurs as a result of a conspiracy between interested parties; spec. a belief that some covert but influential agency (typically political in motivation and oppressive in intent) is responsible for an unexplained event." It cites a 1909 article in The American Historical Review as the earliest usage example,[42][43] although it also appeared in print as early as April 1870.[44] The word "conspiracy" derives from the Latin con- ("with, together") and spirare ("to breathe").

You really are an idiot

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Reply #16 - Dec 20^th, 2021 at 8:20am

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 19^th, 2021 at 3:51pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 19^th, 2021 at 8:39am:

Ah, YES !
The 911 conspiracy
The mother of ALL conspiracy theories

Quit dodging. I've already shown how the official story has been disproved scientifically.

We argue that people are drawn to conspiracy theories in order to satisfy or in an attempt to satisfy three important psychological motives. The first of these motives are epistemic motives. I guess in a nutshell, epistemic motives really just refer to the need for knowledge and certainty and I guess the motive or desire to have information. And when something major happens, when a big event happens, people naturally want to know why that happened. They want an explanation and they want to know the truth. But they also want to feel certain of that truth.

And there are other epistemic reasons why people believe in conspiracy theories as well in relation to this sort of need for knowledge and certainty. So people with lower levels of education tend to be drawn to conspiracy theories. And we don't argue that's because people are not intelligent. It's simply that they haven't been allowed to have, or haven't been given access to the tools to allow them to differentiate between good sources and bad sources or credible sources and non-credible sources. So they're looking for that knowledge and certainty, but not necessarily looking in the right places.

I guess at the individual level, people like to feel... Well, they like to have high self-esteem. They like to feel good about themselves. And potentially one way of doing that is to feel that you have access to information that other people don't necessarily have.

And this is quite a common rhetorical tool that people use when they talk about conspiracy theories, that everybody else is some kind of sheep, but that they know the truth. They have the truth. And having that kind of belief, I guess, feeling that you're in possession of information that other people don't have, can give you a feeling of superiority over others. And we have found, and others have shown as well that a need for uniqueness and a need to have, I guess, stand out from others is associated with belief in conspiracy theories.

Poor deluded fools.

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Reply #17 - Dec 20^th, 2021 at 9:13am

I'm surprised our resident conspiracy nutters haven't been onto this one already.

A book being sold on Amazon about the Omicron variant has a copyright date of 2020, a year before the variant was first reported.

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A meme doing the rounds on Facebook notes that a book sold on Amazon about the Omicron variant has a copyright date of 2020. It implies that there must be a coverup around the origins of Omicron, as the first cases of the virus were not reported until November 2021.

However, neither the book nor its author is legitimate, so the supposed copyright date is not valid.

One post of the meme has been viewed more than 33,000 times in the past 24 hours on Facebook and has been shared over 1,000 times (as of December 15). Several Twitter users have also mentioned the book and its suspicious copyright date.

Anyone can publish a book on Amazon. Whereas a traditional publishing company would require an author to persuade editors to grant them a contract, Kindle Direct Publishing (KDP) allows users to set up an account and upload text within minutes, regardless of its content.

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It is true that the “UNDERSTANDING OMICRON VARIANT: All You Need To Know About Omicron Variant, Where It Comes From, Answers To Questions You Have, And Lots More Update To Keep You Well Informed”, allegedly written by Dr. Theresa Bishop, is a listed book on Amazon. A free sample of the text reveals a copyright date of December 2020. The book is not being sold elsewhere.

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"Masks are sand in the gears of the economy" - some f-wit pollie or big business CEO.

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Reply #18 - Dec 20^th, 2021 at 3:38pm

scope wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 8:02am:

The only one being naive here is you, funny how conspiracy theory has been in print since 1870

When asked about the quote attributed to former CIA director William Casey, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false", Bill Bray, former CIA Research Scientist said, yep, that sounds about right:

https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-di...

And here again we see the CIA's dirty work:

'In Central America, Israel and the CIA armed and trained the Nicaraguan Contras, and the Guatemalan death squads, and the fascist military in El Salvador. Between them, they left at least a hundred thousand dead. Little of this was reported.'
- John Pilger, Freedom Next Time

Why was it hardly reported? Because either the CIA or the media, probably both, decided to censor it.

Then, of course, there was the now closed School of the Americas at Fort Benning, run by the CIA. Among its graduates were many of Latin America's most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. But you wouldn't know about that, would you?

And the recently conducted scientific investigation into 9/11 which has shown the official story, nurtured no doubt by the CIA, is a LIE. But you wouldn't know about that, would you?

This goes on and on and on. That you're so eager to defend the CIA shows you are naive, ignorant, misinformed and deluded.

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Reply #19 - Dec 20^th, 2021 at 3:46pm

indeed wombat

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas,[2] hijacking planes to be shot down or given the appearance of being shot down,[2] blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

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Reply #20 - Dec 20^th, 2021 at 4:13pm

aquascoot wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 3:46pm:

indeed wombat

Operation Northwoods was a proposed false flag operation against American citizens that originated within the US Department of Defense of the United States government in 1962. The proposals called for the CIA operatives to both stage and actually commit acts of terrorism against American military and civilian targets, blaming them on the Cuban government, and using it to justify a war against Cuba. The possibilities detailed in the document included the possible assassination of Cuban immigrants, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas,[2] hijacking planes to be shot down or given the appearance of being shot down,[2] blowing up a U.S. ship, and orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.[

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

Just like 9/11. Bomb the WTC/attack the Pentagon and blame it on Israel's enemies.

And Operation Gladio, run by the CIA and NATO, which planned attacks on European cities.

Francesco Cossiga is a former President, former Prime Minister, and former Minister of the Interior, in Italy. He was one of the founders of Operation Gladio's secret intelligence group.

He said:

"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game ... to force the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security.

"This is the political logic that lies behind all the massacres and the bombings which remain unpunished, because the state cannot convict itself or declare itself responsible for what happened."

Then of course there's the CIA's MK-ULTRA, the most notorious part of this project involved giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide.

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

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Reply #21 - Dec 20^th, 2021 at 7:11pm

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 4:13pm:

Then of course there's the CIA's MK-ULTRA, the most notorious part of this project involved giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide.

BOLLOCKS !

How many "suicides" per million ?

throughout my teens, acid was one of the four major FOOD groups

Air force looked at spray to turn enemy gay

The documents released to the Sunshine Project under a freedom of information request titled "Harassing, Annoying and Bad Guy Identifying Chemicals" includes several proposals for the military use of chemicals that could be sprayed on to enemy positions.

"One distasteful but non-lethal example would be strong aphrodisiacs, especially if the chemical also caused homosexual behaviour

," says the proposal from the Air Force's Wright Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/13/usa.danglaister

We NOW know this "gas" was derived from an amalgam of ecstasy and crystal meth

(well, it worked for ME)

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Reply #22 - Dec 21^st, 2021 at 7:04am

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 3:38pm:

scope wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 8:02am:

The only one being naive here is you, funny how conspiracy theory has been in print since 1870

When asked about the quote attributed to former CIA director William Casey, "We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false", Bill Bray, former CIA Research Scientist said, yep, that sounds about right:

https://www.quora.com/Did-CIA-Director-William-Casey-really-say-Well-know-our-di...

And here again we see the CIA's dirty work:

'In Central America, Israel and the CIA armed and trained the Nicaraguan Contras, and the Guatemalan death squads, and the fascist military in El Salvador. Between them, they left at least a hundred thousand dead. Little of this was reported.'
- John Pilger, Freedom Next Time

Why was it hardly reported? Because either the CIA or the media, probably both, decided to censor it.

Then, of course, there was the now closed School of the Americas at Fort Benning, run by the CIA. Among its graduates were many of Latin America's most notorious torturers, mass murderers, dictators and state terrorists. But you wouldn't know about that, would you?

And the recently conducted scientific investigation into 9/11 which has shown the official story, nurtured no doubt by the CIA, is a LIE. But you wouldn't know about that, would you?

This goes on and on and on. That you're so eager to defend the CIA shows you are naive, ignorant, misinformed and deluded.

Typical response from a brain dead moron, cant prove me wrong about your claim that the CIA "invented" the term conspiracy theory, so decide to attack using lies and steering the thread away from his bullshit claim.

So show me where I defended the CIA.

I showed that your claim was more bullshit no defence of the CIA involved, this is the point when wombat ignores any further posts about his CIA claim,and will turn the thread off on a tangent simply because he cant defend the initial claim, oh! looks like he has already done that Grin

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Reply #23 - Dec 21^st, 2021 at 4:54pm

scope wrote on Dec 21^st, 2021 at 7:04am:

Typical response from a brain dead moron, cant prove me wrong about your claim that the CIA "invented" the term conspiracy theory, so decide to attack using lies and steering the thread away from his bullshit claim.

So show me where I defended the CIA.

I showed that your claim was more bullshit no defence of the CIA involved, this is the point when wombat ignores any further posts about his CIA claim,and will turn the thread off on a tangent simply because he cant defend the initial claim, oh! looks like he has already done that Grin

I said above that it was naive to think that the CIA would admit to using the term for nefarious purposes and your attitude prompted me to educate you on the crimes against humanity committed by that agency.

Now to your accusation that my claim is BS. Far from it:

https://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Theory-America-Discovering/dp/0292757697/ref=s...

And who is Prof. Lance deHaven-Smith?

Florida State University News - The Official News Source of Florida State University

Expert: Lance DeHaven-Smith

Professor Emeritus

DeHaven-Smith is an expert on demographic and partisan trends and voting behavior in Florida, as well as crime/issues that leave election outcomes in doubt.

https://news.fsu.edu/experts/lance-dehaven-smith/

Furthermore,

Professor Lance deHaven-Smith holds the Reubin Askew Eminent Scholar Chair in Florida Government and Politics in the Reubin Askew School of Public Administration and Policy at Florida State University. He received his B.A. degree from the University of Georgia, and his M.A. and Ph.D. from the Ohio State University. Dr. deHaven-Smith is the author of over a dozen books on topics ranging from the philosophy of science and political philosophy to American politics and elite political crime. His most recently published books are The Battle for Florida, which analyzes the disputed 2000 presidential election, and Conspiracy Theory in America, which traces the pejorative "conspiracy theory" label in American public discourse to a CIA propaganda program initiated in 1967.

In a 2006 peer-reviewed journal article, Dr. deHaven-Smith coined the term "state crimes against democracy" (SCADs) to delineate a crime category for Watergate, Iran-Contra, Plame-gate, and similar conspiracies in high office. In February 2010 the SCAD concept was the topic of a special issue of American Behavioral Scientist. In June 2010, the journal Public Integrity ( the ethics journal for the American Society of Public Administration) published a symposium issue on SCAD theory and research. Other articles on the SCAD construct have been published in the peer review journals Contemporary Politics, Administration and Society, and Public Administration Quarterly. The SCAD construct directs inquiry to a comparative analysis of known and suspected political crimes to identify patterns in targets, timing, policy consequences, officials who benefit, and other characteristics that points to criminogenic institutions and circumstances.

Dr. deHaven-Smith’s scholarship is nationally recognized. He has appeared on Good Morning America, the Today Show, NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, CBS Nightly News with Dan Rather, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, CNN, NPR, and other national TV and radio shows.

"The CIA wrote a memo to all their media assets ... and (told) them that if they hear somebody criticizing the Warren Commission report just say that they're a conspiracy theorist ... so they wanted to create this term to discredit critics of the Warren Commission... but it didn't exist in the American political lexicon prior to 1967-68..."

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Reply #24 - Dec 21^st, 2021 at 5:28pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 7:11pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 20^th, 2021 at 4:13pm:

Then of course there's the CIA's MK-ULTRA, the most notorious part of this project involved giving LSD and other drugs to American subjects without their knowledge or against their will, causing several to commit suicide.

BOLLOCKS !

WTF you on about?

MKUltra used numerous methods to manipulate its subjects' mental states and brain functions, such as the covert administration of high doses of psychoactive drugs (especially LSD) and other chemicals, electroshocks,[4] hypnosis,[5][6] sensory deprivation, isolation, and verbal and sexual abuse, in addition to other forms of torture.[7][8]

[...]

Several known deaths have been associated with Project MKUltra, most notably that of Frank Olson. Olson, a United States Army biochemist and biological weapons researcher, was given LSD without his knowledge or consent in November 1953, as part of a CIA experiment, and died by suicide by jumping out of a 13th-story window a week later.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKUltra

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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buzzanddidj Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 14050 Eganstown, via Daylesford, VIC Gender:	Re: No Bitcute, No Memes. the Jury is OUT Reply #25 - Dec 21^st, 2021 at 6:35pm wombatwoody wrote on Dec 21^st, 2021 at 5:28pm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-Ultra_(band) It's hard to say why ANYONE researches ANYTHING - in 2021 Pfizer wasted 2 years finding a vaccine formula It would have been MUCH faster - to look it up on Wikipedia !
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Reply #26 - Dec 21^st, 2021 at 6:51pm

buzzanddidj wrote on Dec 21^st, 2021 at 6:35pm:

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 21^st, 2021 at 5:28pm:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MK-Ultra_(band)

It's hard to say why ANYONE researches ANYTHING - in 2021

Pfizer wasted 2 years[/u] finding a vaccine formula

It would have been MUCH faster - to look it up on Wikipedia

Firstly, don't falsely quote me, i.e. change the link I posted.

Secondly, what an absolutely pathetic dodge.

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We are benefiting from ... the attack on the Twin Towers and Pentagon, and the American struggle in Iraq.

Benjamin Netanyahu, quoted in Ma’ariv, 16 April 2008

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Setanta Gold Member Online \/ Peace man! Posts: 16077 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: No Bitcute, No Memes. the Jury is OUT Reply #27 - Dec 21^st, 2021 at 6:58pm Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 17^th, 2021 at 9:39pm: Why don't people open their minds? Ooo, Ooo! Me sir! (pumps hand into the air) Could it be that they can't entertain any opposing thought as useful or valid? I've noticed a lot of that in this class, sir, even from you. Do I deserve fruit?
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Setanta Gold Member Online \/ Peace man! Posts: 16077 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: No Bitcute, No Memes. the Jury is OUT Reply #28 - Dec 21^st, 2021 at 7:04pm wombatwoody wrote on Dec 18^th, 2021 at 5:44pm: You forgot 9/11. And the Alamo! What a setup Davy did on that job!
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Reply #29 - Dec 22^nd, 2021 at 7:11am

wombatwoody wrote on Dec 21^st, 2021 at 4:54pm:

scope wrote on Dec 21^st, 2021 at 7:04am:

Typical response from a brain dead moron, cant prove me wrong about your claim that the CIA "invented" the term conspiracy theory, so decide to attack using lies and steering the thread away from his bullshit claim.

So show me where I defended the CIA.

I showed that your claim was more bullshit no defence of the CIA involved, this is the point when wombat ignores any further posts about his CIA claim,and will turn the thread off on a tangent simply because he cant defend the initial claim, oh! looks like he has already done that Grin

I said above that it was naive to think that the CIA would admit to using the term for nefarious purposes and your attitude prompted me to educate you on the crimes against humanity committed by that agency.

Now to your accusation that my claim is BS. Far from it:

https://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Theory-America-Discovering/dp/0292757697/ref=s...

And who is Prof. Lance deHaven-Smith?

Florida State University News - The Official News Source of Florida State University

Expert: Lance DeHaven-Smith

Professor Emeritus

DeHaven-Smith is an expert on demographic and partisan trends and voting behavior in Florida, as well as crime/issues that leave election outcomes in doubt.

https://news.fsu.edu/experts/lance-dehaven-smith/

Furthermore,

Professor Lance deHaven-Smith holds the Reubin Askew Eminent Scholar Chair in Florida Government and Politics in the Reubin Askew School of Public Administration and Policy at Florida State University. He received his B.A. degree from the University of Georgia, and his M.A. and Ph.D. from the Ohio State University. Dr. deHaven-Smith is the author of over a dozen books on topics ranging from the philosophy of science and political philosophy to American politics and elite political crime. His most recently published books are The Battle for Florida, which analyzes the disputed 2000 presidential election, and Conspiracy Theory in America, which traces the pejorative "conspiracy theory" label in American public discourse to a CIA propaganda program initiated in 1967.

In a 2006 peer-reviewed journal article, Dr. deHaven-Smith coined the term "state crimes against democracy" (SCADs) to delineate a crime category for Watergate, Iran-Contra, Plame-gate, and similar conspiracies in high office. In February 2010 the SCAD concept was the topic of a special issue of American Behavioral Scientist. In June 2010, the journal Public Integrity ( the ethics journal for the American Society of Public Administration) published a symposium issue on SCAD theory and research. Other articles on the SCAD construct have been published in the peer review journals Contemporary Politics, Administration and Society, and Public Administration Quarterly. The SCAD construct directs inquiry to a comparative analysis of known and suspected political crimes to identify patterns in targets, timing, policy consequences, officials who benefit, and other characteristics that points to criminogenic institutions and circumstances.

Dr. deHaven-Smith’s scholarship is nationally recognized. He has appeared on Good Morning America, the Today Show, NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, CBS Nightly News with Dan Rather, the Jim Lehrer News Hour, CNN, NPR, and other national TV and radio shows.

"The CIA wrote a memo to all their media assets ... and (told) them that if they hear somebody criticizing the Warren Commission report just say that they're a conspiracy theorist ... so they wanted to create this term to discredit critics of the Warren Commission... but it didn't exist in the American political lexicon prior to 1967-68..."

Your original claim is BS, The CIA did not invent the term in the 60's.

But now ,as always you want to change your claim, now you are claiming that the term did not exist in the US political lexicon prior to 1967.
Nice try snowball but no cigar.
This is another method used by your ilk, get caught out, change the claim. Pathetic.

As always, fill your post with mostly irrelevant detail, who cares what Dr. DeHaven-Smith said in 2005, it's irrelevant to your original claim.

Just give up, you are out of your depth, as usual.

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