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Re: 3rd and 4th Booster shots
Reply #15 - Dec 29th, 2021 at 4:36pm
 
Gnads wrote on Dec 29th, 2021 at 6:31am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 28th, 2021 at 11:15pm:
Even a tetanus shot only needs a booster after 10 years.


In case it has escaped your attention this isn't Tetanus.

Tetanus is a bacterial infection

Covid is a viral infection

So why would you have any concern that initially 6 monthly boosters would be required to battle Covid?


Well, okay. Bad comparison. But the point being that your body should be able to produce the antibodies for covid years after having the first vaccine. Your immune system remembers the virus, even with the variations of the covid virus. As adults, we do not get the common cold every year for many of us, like we did as children. As children, we might have gotten a cold a few times a year. But, our body remembers to combat the onset of a cold more readily before the rhinovirus takes hold in our adulthood.
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Reply #16 - Dec 29th, 2021 at 4:46pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Dec 29th, 2021 at 7:32am:
Only ever had 2 tetanus shots in my life.

Never bothered with any flu jab either.


Had a tetanus shot in my teens. Not sure if I had a tetanus shot in my 20s. Overdue for a tetanus shot for at least the last 20 years. My doctor told me that I am allowed an influenza vaccine each year (I think, for free) due to my medical condition. I always refuse.

I was not going to get vaccinated against covid. But, the government put on a show of force to say that I would miss out on things if I was not vaccinated. Got that out of the way in November.

Boosters seem like a waste of time. But, I will have to do as asked if I want to keep a job.
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Re: 3rd and 4th Booster shots
Reply #17 - Dec 29th, 2021 at 7:10pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 29th, 2021 at 4:36pm:
Gnads wrote on Dec 29th, 2021 at 6:31am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Dec 28th, 2021 at 11:15pm:
Even a tetanus shot only needs a booster after 10 years.


In case it has escaped your attention this isn't Tetanus.

Tetanus is a bacterial infection

Covid is a viral infection

So why would you have any concern that initially 6 monthly boosters would be required to battle Covid?


Well, okay. Bad comparison. But the point being that your body should be able to produce the antibodies for covid years after having the first vaccine. Your immune system remembers the virus, even with the variations of the covid virus. As adults, we do not get the common cold every year for many of us, like we did as children. As children, we might have gotten a cold a few times a year. But, our body remembers to combat the onset of a cold more readily before the rhinovirus takes hold in our adulthood.


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But the point being that your body should be able to produce the antibodies for covid years after having the first vaccine.


No Vaccines work this way. All the childhood vaccines depend on a series of shots, mostly 5 or 6. If you check a child's immunisation record you see that on the birth, 6 weeks, 4 months,  6 month 12 month 18 month 4years etc it is all a repeat of the same vaccines. Often with a teenage follow up.
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Reply #18 - Dec 29th, 2021 at 9:16pm
 
Glad I had the AZ.


No boostin'.
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Reply #19 - Jan 3rd, 2022 at 11:08pm
 
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The Dangerous Push to Give Boosters to Teens


FDA and CDC experts said the plan was ill-advised, so the agencies cut them out of the decision process.

The U.S. government is pushing Covid-19 vaccine boosters for 16- and 17-year-olds without supporting clinical data A large Israeli population study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine earlier this month, found that the risk of Covid death in people under 30 with two vaccine shots was zero.

Booster mandates for healthy young people, which some colleges are imposing, will cause medical harm for the sake of transient reductions in mild and asymptomatic infections. In a study of 438,511 males 16 to 24, 56 developed myocarditis after their second Pfizer dose (or 1 in 7,830, at least seven times the usual rate). True, most cases were mild, but in the broader group of 136 people (including older and female patients) who developed myocarditis after the vaccine, seven had a “complicated course,” and one 22-year-old died. Moderna’s vaccine carries an even higher rate of heart complications, which is why some European countries have restricted it for people under 30. But in the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indiscriminately push for boosters for all young people.

Those recommendations came over the objections of the agencies’ own experts. The last vote by FDA advisers, in September, rejected the proposal 16-2. FDA leaders revisited the proposal in November and simply bypassed the experts. So did the CDC, whose advisers had rejected boosters for people not at high risk. Two top FDA scientists, including the head of the agency’s vaccine efforts, quit around the time of the September vote over White House pressure to authorize boosters for all. They wrote in detail about their concerns.

A study by Oxford researchers, published last week in Nature Medicine, validated those concerns. It found young people suffered myocarditis, pericarditis and arrhythmias more frequently from Moderna’s vaccine than from Covid itself. And the long-term cardiac effects of boosters in young people are unknown.

The emergence of the Omicron variant has fed the push for boosters. But a University of Hong Kong study found that Omicron is less than one-tenth as infective in lung cells compared with the Delta variant. That explains why Omicron patients report far fewer cough and fever symptoms. Instead they report common cold-symptoms, similar to the four known seasonal coronaviruses that have circulated for decades, causing many colds. Angelique Coetzee of the South African Medical Association described her bedside Omicron observations: “There is no reason for panicking.” Yet much of the northern U.S. is now in full panic mode.

Omicron does partly evade antibody immunity, but it doesn’t escape existing T-cell immunity according to a new Johns Hopkins study. That’s consistent with population data on Omicron. Case counts are plunging in the epicenter, in the South African province of Gauteng. South African Health Minister Joe Phaahla reports that only 1.7% of Covid patients were hospitalized in the second week of the Omicron-dominant wave, compared with 19% at the same point in the Delta wave. We now have laboratory data, epidemiological data, and bedside data that Omicron is mild for the vast majority of infected patients.

Pfizer issued a press release on Dec. 8 announcing a lab experiment demonstrating that a booster shot increases antibody levels against Omicron. They didn’t release the underlying data. The next day, the FDA authorized boosters for 16- and 17-year-olds, and the CDC followed suit.

Last week I testified before Congress that many Covid policies are no longer driven by science. Data is being cherry-picked to support predetermined agendas, while the roles of natural immunity and life-saving therapeutics are being sidelined.

We’ve seen medical bandwagon thinking hurt the country before. The false assumption that Covid spreads by surface transmission still has Americans engaging in futile disinfection rituals. We’ve suffered from barbaric policies that prohibited people from saying goodbye to, or holding hands with, loved ones who were dying. Children were shut out of school for a less contagious variant. Our public health leaders are making critical mistakes and affirming each other with groupthink, while journalists forfeit their duty to ask key questions.

Forcing immune, young, healthy, low-risk students to get a third vaccine shot is excessive and wasteful. These precious vaccine doses should be going to poor countries that still don’t have enough.

Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dangerous-push-to-give-boosters-to-teens-vacccine-c...
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Reply #20 - Jan 4th, 2022 at 11:08am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Dec 28th, 2021 at 10:27pm:
If something doesn't work the first 2 times i try it then why would you make the same mistake 3 times?




I'm constantly BEWILDERED at the DIFFICULTY some people have in grasping the concept of 'booster shot therapy'
Looking as the similarities - and differences - between a coronavirus and influenza virus epidemics , BOTH benefit greatly with vaccinations to reduce chance of infection, severity of symptoms and extent of passing infection

The annual flu season generally lasts six months - at the most - meaning one shot give sufficient cover
One season - a couple of years back, in a lengthier than normal flu season - my doctor gave me a booster

COVID19 has not had a six month season
It's been in the community for several years - and is expected to be around for several more


I expect a booster to be a standard ongoing protection - every six months - for at least, another two years down the path




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