Karnal
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Frank wrote on Jan 23 rd, 2022 at 8:43pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23 rd, 2022 at 8:20pm: Frank wrote on Jan 23 rd, 2022 at 8:13pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23 rd, 2022 at 6:13pm: Frank wrote on Jan 23 rd, 2022 at 6:02pm: Karnal wrote on Jan 23 rd, 2022 at 12:58pm: Frank wrote on Jan 23 rd, 2022 at 9:10am: On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally chande social relations, creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class. As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly. The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.
Life is not JUST about money. That's just ideology. Universal basic income needs to be tested and measured to know. Life IS not just about money. People put in effort and initiative for all sorts of reasons. Cash profits are only one, but a basic income doesn't stop anybody chasing more cash. Most families provide their kids with basic incomes or sustenance once they reach working age - even more so for the rich. This doesn't stop kids getting jobs, setting up businesses or investing their wealth. A universal basic income is the only way to truly level the playing field in a capitalist economy, as every cashed-up schoolboy knows. "That's just ideology" - one Bbwianesque great divide ideologue is enough. That's just ideology - that's a stupid ideological yeah-but, paki. You start by saying it needs to be measured and tested - and end by asserting that is the only way, and never mind the measuring and testing. That IS blinkered, stupid ideology. Anyway, my main point is not about money but about constituting a permanent underclass of whom nothing is expected by the rest of society. Institutionalised drongo class. Temporary help converted to permanent sit down money, no questions asked. Society-wide remote Abo life. We have that already, dear. We call them dole bludgers. Ask Valkie. A universal basic income is no more than a negative tax. A subsidy, just for being here, for being human, just for being you. You? Yes, dear boy, you'd get it too. Oh?? No more than a negative tax! What is that, Punjabi schoolboy? You give people money for .... er.... nothing. How long before it's pwogwessive: give you more the less you do for society. Tax the creators, negative tax the deadbeats. Sounds like your idea, paki, hustling for your 10 rupees. Start dancing. Just so. Absolutely nothing - you too. Do you see? We're British. It's just the kind of chaps we are, no? You're a stingy old half-Kraut, but that's just you. That is as coherent a case as you have ever made, paki. Pick up the 10 rupees and the bananas on the way out. The door will bang you on the arse if you are lucky. Old boy, you're a record at the end of the song, playing a crack, endlessly, repeatedly. You have nothing left to say, just this: So, so unfair.
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