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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #105 - Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:13pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 9:10am:
On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally chande social relations,  creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class.
As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly.  The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.

Life is not JUST about money.


That's just ideology. Universal basic income needs to be tested and measured to know.

Life IS not just about money. People put in effort and initiative for all sorts of reasons. Cash profits are only one, but a basic income doesn't stop anybody chasing more cash.

Most families provide their kids with basic incomes or sustenance once they reach working age - even more so for the rich. This doesn't stop kids getting jobs, setting up businesses or investing their wealth.

A universal basic income is the only way to truly level the playing field in a capitalist economy, as every cashed-up schoolboy knows.



"That's just ideology"  - one Bbwianesque great divide ideologue is enough. That's just ideology - that's a stupid ideological yeah-but, paki.

You start by saying it needs to be measured and tested - and end by asserting that is the only way, and never mind the measuring and testing. That IS blinkered, stupid ideology.

Anyway, my main point is not about money but about constituting a permanent underclass of whom nothing is expected by the rest of society. Institutionalised drongo class.
Temporary help converted to permanent sit down money, no questions asked. Society-wide remote Abo life.



We have that already, dear. We call them dole bludgers. Ask Valkie.

A universal basic income is no more than a negative tax. A subsidy, just for being here, for being human, just for being you.

You? Yes, dear boy, you'd get it too.

Oh??

No more than a negative tax!

What is that, Punjabi schoolboy? You give people money for .... er.... nothing. How long before it's pwogwessive: give you more the less you do for society. Tax the creators, negative tax the deadbeats.

Sounds like your idea, paki, hustling for your 10 rupees.

Start dancing.

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #106 - Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:20pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:13pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 9:10am:
On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally chande social relations,  creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class.
As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly.  The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.

Life is not JUST about money.


That's just ideology. Universal basic income needs to be tested and measured to know.

Life IS not just about money. People put in effort and initiative for all sorts of reasons. Cash profits are only one, but a basic income doesn't stop anybody chasing more cash.

Most families provide their kids with basic incomes or sustenance once they reach working age - even more so for the rich. This doesn't stop kids getting jobs, setting up businesses or investing their wealth.

A universal basic income is the only way to truly level the playing field in a capitalist economy, as every cashed-up schoolboy knows.



"That's just ideology"  - one Bbwianesque great divide ideologue is enough. That's just ideology - that's a stupid ideological yeah-but, paki.

You start by saying it needs to be measured and tested - and end by asserting that is the only way, and never mind the measuring and testing. That IS blinkered, stupid ideology.

Anyway, my main point is not about money but about constituting a permanent underclass of whom nothing is expected by the rest of society. Institutionalised drongo class.
Temporary help converted to permanent sit down money, no questions asked. Society-wide remote Abo life.



We have that already, dear. We call them dole bludgers. Ask Valkie.

A universal basic income is no more than a negative tax. A subsidy, just for being here, for being human, just for being you.

You? Yes, dear boy, you'd get it too.

Oh??

No more than a negative tax!

What is that, Punjabi schoolboy? You give people money for .... er.... nothing. How long before it's pwogwessive: give you more the less you do for society. Tax the creators, negative tax the deadbeats.

Sounds like your idea, paki, hustling for your 10 rupees.

Start dancing.



Just so. Absolutely nothing - you too.

Do you see? We're British. It's just the kind of chaps we are, no?

You're a stingy old half-Kraut, but that's just you.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #107 - Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:43pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:20pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:13pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 9:10am:
On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally chande social relations,  creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class.
As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly.  The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.

Life is not JUST about money.


That's just ideology. Universal basic income needs to be tested and measured to know.

Life IS not just about money. People put in effort and initiative for all sorts of reasons. Cash profits are only one, but a basic income doesn't stop anybody chasing more cash.

Most families provide their kids with basic incomes or sustenance once they reach working age - even more so for the rich. This doesn't stop kids getting jobs, setting up businesses or investing their wealth.

A universal basic income is the only way to truly level the playing field in a capitalist economy, as every cashed-up schoolboy knows.



"That's just ideology"  - one Bbwianesque great divide ideologue is enough. That's just ideology - that's a stupid ideological yeah-but, paki.

You start by saying it needs to be measured and tested - and end by asserting that is the only way, and never mind the measuring and testing. That IS blinkered, stupid ideology.

Anyway, my main point is not about money but about constituting a permanent underclass of whom nothing is expected by the rest of society. Institutionalised drongo class.
Temporary help converted to permanent sit down money, no questions asked. Society-wide remote Abo life.



We have that already, dear. We call them dole bludgers. Ask Valkie.

A universal basic income is no more than a negative tax. A subsidy, just for being here, for being human, just for being you.

You? Yes, dear boy, you'd get it too.

Oh??

No more than a negative tax!

What is that, Punjabi schoolboy? You give people money for .... er.... nothing. How long before it's pwogwessive: give you more the less you do for society. Tax the creators, negative tax the deadbeats.

Sounds like your idea, paki, hustling for your 10 rupees.

Start dancing.



Just so. Absolutely nothing - you too.

Do you see? We're British. It's just the kind of chaps we are, no?

You're a stingy old half-Kraut, but that's just you.


That is as coherent a case as you have ever made, paki.

Pick up the 10 rupees and the bananas on the way out. The door will bang you on the arse if you are lucky.

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #108 - Jan 24th, 2022 at 1:12am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:43pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:20pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 8:13pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:13pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:02pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 12:58pm:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 9:10am:
On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally chande social relations,  creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class.
As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly.  The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.

Life is not JUST about money.


That's just ideology. Universal basic income needs to be tested and measured to know.

Life IS not just about money. People put in effort and initiative for all sorts of reasons. Cash profits are only one, but a basic income doesn't stop anybody chasing more cash.

Most families provide their kids with basic incomes or sustenance once they reach working age - even more so for the rich. This doesn't stop kids getting jobs, setting up businesses or investing their wealth.

A universal basic income is the only way to truly level the playing field in a capitalist economy, as every cashed-up schoolboy knows.



"That's just ideology"  - one Bbwianesque great divide ideologue is enough. That's just ideology - that's a stupid ideological yeah-but, paki.

You start by saying it needs to be measured and tested - and end by asserting that is the only way, and never mind the measuring and testing. That IS blinkered, stupid ideology.

Anyway, my main point is not about money but about constituting a permanent underclass of whom nothing is expected by the rest of society. Institutionalised drongo class.
Temporary help converted to permanent sit down money, no questions asked. Society-wide remote Abo life.



We have that already, dear. We call them dole bludgers. Ask Valkie.

A universal basic income is no more than a negative tax. A subsidy, just for being here, for being human, just for being you.

You? Yes, dear boy, you'd get it too.

Oh??

No more than a negative tax!

What is that, Punjabi schoolboy? You give people money for .... er.... nothing. How long before it's pwogwessive: give you more the less you do for society. Tax the creators, negative tax the deadbeats.

Sounds like your idea, paki, hustling for your 10 rupees.

Start dancing.



Just so. Absolutely nothing - you too.

Do you see? We're British. It's just the kind of chaps we are, no?

You're a stingy old half-Kraut, but that's just you.


That is as coherent a case as you have ever made, paki.

Pick up the 10 rupees and the bananas on the way out. The door will bang you on the arse if you are lucky.



Old boy, you're a record at the end of the song, playing a crack, endlessly, repeatedly. You have nothing left to say, just this:

So, so unfair.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #109 - Jan 24th, 2022 at 7:02am
 
thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 12:09pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 12:06pm:
Countries that discourage personal wealth.

Are ruled by despots, pretenders who are capable of nothing but taking.

They are singularly unremarkable in that no one tries very hard.


Like billionaires doubling their wealth while they are asleep? 


https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/ten-richest-men-double-their-fortunes-pa...


" "Billionaires’ wealth has risen more since COVID-19 began than it has in the last 14 years. At $5 trillion dollars, this is the biggest surge in billionaire wealth since records began" .


Are these the wealthy people you'd like to see a wealth tax aimed at?
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Reply #110 - Jan 24th, 2022 at 6:15pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:11pm:
the wealthy are usually the innovators, go-getters, hard chargers and winners.

the more of them you have the better

if i had a farm of racehorses, i would love to have a Winx.

the rediculous idea that i would tax Winx (make her give up her food to some scrubby brumby that will produce, for me, no income, nothing, zero, zilch) is verging on the insane.

in fact, we should find the successful and give them MORE resources bacaue they will use it well.

giving it to chodes will see it wasted on tattooes and mag wheels


The innovators and go-getters are stuck investing in those those mag wheels, dear. They sell. Where else are they going to put their money?

Oh, there's Netflix, Facebook and Pornhub, but the rich have got just as many choices as the chodes.

Those with capital have the same size dicks, you know, they just have a few more choices where to stick them.

Anyway, your latest stance on big pharma and corporate wealth is rather down on big business, remember?

That was last week, anyway. You might have forgotten.

It's a lady's prerogative to change her mind, no?



aqua is a friend of small business, not big business
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Reply #111 - Jan 24th, 2022 at 7:32pm
 
The superior man keeps his business small.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #112 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 8:48am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 9:10am:
I am all for fair taxation. (I do note that a lot of wealth is not cash in the bank but the valud of assetts. So taxing billionnairs on their assetts would require thdm to sell some of it to get liquid asetts to pay the fax, unless they transferred shares and stocks to the tax office to own by way of tax payment - a daft idea).

On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally change social relations,  creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class.
As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly.  The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.

Life is not JUST about money.



Not only but also


The fatal flaw of the universal basic income is the same one that hampers most existing anti-poverty programs: a lack of emphasis on encouraging work. Instead, these programs have sought to provide directly whatever poor people happen to lack. The result has been more than 50 years of massive public outlays, with little benefit other than making recipients dependent on government. The ongoing rise in worker’s disability claims follows a long string of recent expansions of welfare programs, such as food stamps, housing assistance, and even free phones to boost the standard of living among poor citizens.

In the long run, this transfer-focused approach to welfare does more than create a disincentive to work. In his book The Welfare Trait, British neurobiologist Adam Perkins argues that dependence on welfare creates work-resistant personalities, which are often passed on from one generation to the next. As one review of Perkins’s work puts it, the welfare state “becomes a production line for damaged kids” and encourages parents in unemployed households to have more children than families led by breadwinners.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/against-universal-basic-income-15636.html

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #113 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 9:32am
 
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2022 at 7:32pm:
The superior man keeps his business small.


Yep 👍

And that same superior man keeps a very good accountant on his toes by making sure all business interests are structured so as to comply with tax laws AND minimise tax obligations.

In short.

There are ways and means around wealth taxes.

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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #114 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 9:49am
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 25th, 2022 at 9:32am:
freediver wrote on Jan 24th, 2022 at 7:32pm:
The superior man keeps his business small.


Yep 👍

And that same superior man keeps a very good accountant on his toes by making sure all business interests are structured so as to comply with tax laws AND minimise tax obligations.

In short.

There are ways and means around wealth taxes.



Always plenty of wriggle room in any rules that affect those with the wherewithal... the problem here is big business - small businesses generally are good at keeping their taxes reasonably straight.  When they have tills and such they have no real choice anyway, though some can still get away with cash work, though, frankly, most of that ends up in the economy at the next step anyway.  It is when masses of money are shipped offshore by the container load that the problems begin and end.

The problem is mega-businesses not paying anything.... profit margins are so low you have to wonder why they're in business at all if it's so bad.... can't even earn enough to pay taxes so why are they not just on the dole?

Look at Terminal Patrick - absolutely withering on the vine they are... can't afford costs of wages to keep going.... they should just sell up and move on then ...................... let someone else take the catastrophic losses...  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #115 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 10:11am
 
aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2022 at 6:15pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:11pm:
the wealthy are usually the innovators, go-getters, hard chargers and winners.

the more of them you have the better

if i had a farm of racehorses, i would love to have a Winx.

the rediculous idea that i would tax Winx (make her give up her food to some scrubby brumby that will produce, for me, no income, nothing, zero, zilch) is verging on the insane.

in fact, we should find the successful and give them MORE resources bacaue they will use it well.

giving it to chodes will see it wasted on tattooes and mag wheels


The innovators and go-getters are stuck investing in those those mag wheels, dear. They sell. Where else are they going to put their money?

Oh, there's Netflix, Facebook and Pornhub, but the rich have got just as many choices as the chodes.

Those with capital have the same size dicks, you know, they just have a few more choices where to stick them.

Anyway, your latest stance on big pharma and corporate wealth is rather down on big business, remember?

That was last week, anyway. You might have forgotten.

It's a lady's prerogative to change her mind, no?



aqua is a friend of small business, not big business


Wealth taxes are for billionaires, dear - those with dicks wider than they're long.

You?
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Reply #116 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 10:22am
 
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2022 at 8:48am:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 9:10am:
I am all for fair taxation. (I do note that a lot of wealth is not cash in the bank but the valud of assetts. So taxing billionnairs on their assetts would require thdm to sell some of it to get liquid asetts to pay the fax, unless they transferred shares and stocks to the tax office to own by way of tax payment - a daft idea).

On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally change social relations,  creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class.
As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly.  The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.

Life is not JUST about money.



Not only but also


The fatal flaw of the universal basic income is the same one that hampers most existing anti-poverty programs: a lack of emphasis on encouraging work. Instead, these programs have sought to provide directly whatever poor people happen to lack. The result has been more than 50 years of massive public outlays, with little benefit other than making recipients dependent on government. The ongoing rise in worker’s disability claims follows a long string of recent expansions of welfare programs, such as food stamps, housing assistance, and even free phones to boost the standard of living among poor citizens.

In the long run, this transfer-focused approach to welfare does more than create a disincentive to work. In his book The Welfare Trait, British neurobiologist Adam Perkins argues that dependence on welfare creates work-resistant personalities, which are often passed on from one generation to the next. As one review of Perkins’s work puts it, the welfare state “becomes a production line for damaged kids” and encourages parents in unemployed households to have more children than families led by breadwinners.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/against-universal-basic-income-15636.html



That's ideology, dear. It's not the experience of the small number of trials into universal basic income.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/2/19/21112570/universal-basic-income-ubi...

We're entering a new stage of capitalism, where the machines are taking over. In some countries, at some point in time, the right to workforce participation will no longer be able to be fulfilled. The current model of unemployment subsistence will no longer be relevant.

The question for the state, therefore, is how it manages the question of work and divvying up the spoils.

You'll be okay, dear boy, you'll be dead.

Same as it ever was, no?
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Reply #117 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 10:37am
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2022 at 10:22am:
Frank wrote on Jan 25th, 2022 at 8:48am:
Frank wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 9:10am:
I am all for fair taxation. (I do note that a lot of wealth is not cash in the bank but the valud of assetts. So taxing billionnairs on their assetts would require thdm to sell some of it to get liquid asetts to pay the fax, unless they transferred shares and stocks to the tax office to own by way of tax payment - a daft idea).

On universal wage regardless of ability, contribution, assetts, wealth etc - this would fundamentally change social relations,  creating an underclass from which nothing is expected. In essence it would create a class of people, a caste similar to the untouchables or the pre-emancipation negros, a second or third order lumpen prole class.
As with legalised drugs, the number of 'users' of the universal wage as their permanent sole source of money (plus petty crime) and permenant relationship tie to the rest of society would grow relentlessly.  The whole idea of thriving, initiative, effort, excellence, giving it a go, trying again, failing beter, getting up and keeping going - and all the psychological, social, economic, emotional furniture that comes with such age old values would be radically changed in unforeseen but invariably distopian, degenerate ways.

Life is not JUST about money.



Not only but also


The fatal flaw of the universal basic income is the same one that hampers most existing anti-poverty programs: a lack of emphasis on encouraging work. Instead, these programs have sought to provide directly whatever poor people happen to lack. The result has been more than 50 years of massive public outlays, with little benefit other than making recipients dependent on government. The ongoing rise in worker’s disability claims follows a long string of recent expansions of welfare programs, such as food stamps, housing assistance, and even free phones to boost the standard of living among poor citizens.

In the long run, this transfer-focused approach to welfare does more than create a disincentive to work. In his book The Welfare Trait, British neurobiologist Adam Perkins argues that dependence on welfare creates work-resistant personalities, which are often passed on from one generation to the next. As one review of Perkins’s work puts it, the welfare state “becomes a production line for damaged kids” and encourages parents in unemployed households to have more children than families led by breadwinners.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/against-universal-basic-income-15636.html



That's ideology, dear. It's not the experience of the small number of trials into universal basic income.

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2020/2/19/21112570/universal-basic-income-ubi...

We're entering a new stage of capitalism, where the machines are taking over. In some countries, at some point in time, the right to workforce participation will no longer be able to be fulfilled. The current model of unemployment subsistence will no longer be relevant.

The question for the state, therefore, is how it manages the question of work and divvying up the spoils.

You'll be okay, dear boy, you'll be dead.

Same as it ever was, no?



That's Bbwianesque stupidity,  with the studied flick of a limp wrist: ideology. Because universal basic wage has nuffin' to do wiv ideology or nuffin'. Oh, yes.

Collect 13,000 rupees or the equivalent in bananas, paki.
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Reply #118 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 12:07pm
 
Its funny how tge ones bleating for more tax from the rich.

Have never worked a day in their lives, living off the taxes paid by working people.

Groggy and his socks are prime examples.
Spend all day on forums whyning and winging about what they dont have.
And fantasizing about what they coukd have if only they could get the rich to pay more tax.


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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #119 - Jan 25th, 2022 at 1:36pm
 
Karnal wrote on Jan 25th, 2022 at 10:11am:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 24th, 2022 at 6:15pm:
Karnal wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:26pm:
aquascoot wrote on Jan 23rd, 2022 at 6:11pm:
the wealthy are usually the innovators, go-getters, hard chargers and winners.

the more of them you have the better

if i had a farm of racehorses, i would love to have a Winx.

the rediculous idea that i would tax Winx (make her give up her food to some scrubby brumby that will produce, for me, no income, nothing, zero, zilch) is verging on the insane.

in fact, we should find the successful and give them MORE resources bacaue they will use it well.

giving it to chodes will see it wasted on tattooes and mag wheels


The innovators and go-getters are stuck investing in those those mag wheels, dear. They sell. Where else are they going to put their money?

Oh, there's Netflix, Facebook and Pornhub, but the rich have got just as many choices as the chodes.

Those with capital have the same size dicks, you know, they just have a few more choices where to stick them.

Anyway, your latest stance on big pharma and corporate wealth is rather down on big business, remember?

That was last week, anyway. You might have forgotten.

It's a lady's prerogative to change her mind, no?



aqua is a friend of small business, not big business


Wealth taxes are for billionaires, dear - those with dicks wider than they're long.

You?


She said - "Give me twelve inches and make it hurt!"

So the billionaire did the deed six times and refused to pay her...........

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