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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #15 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 5:47pm
 
Bam wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 4:22pm:
issuevoter wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 11:53am:
No new taxes.

Why? All you're doing is shooting down the idea of new taxes without debate or discussion. You're implying that the worst of the current taxes is better than the best tax that currently does not exist. That is not a sound proposition.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 11:53am:
Make the ones we have, work.

No. Some of the current taxes are inefficient to collect, act as unnecessary disincentives, or have other issues. Payroll tax is one example of a bad tax because it is inequitable and discourages the creation of jobs. Replacing payroll tax with a single tax assessed on company turnover would replace an inefficient tax with one that is more efficient to assess.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 11:53am:
The problem with regulation is that it feeds on itself. And there's a whole echelon of office-bludgers who are always inventing new ones, otherwise they might have to go out and get real job.

The post is discussing taxes, not regulations.

issuevoter wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 11:53am:
Wealth is not evil, but the Labor Party wants you to believe it is.

That last part is not true. Wealth is not inherently evil. The real evil is found amongst the rich who loot and hoard unearned wealth for themselves.


Like many Labor voters, you resent wealth.


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Reply #16 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 5:49pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 5:02pm:
Valkie wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 11:45am:
Not conned, just sick to death of lazy parasites sitting on their fat arses doing nothing and demanding more to do it.



you mean those like you?


No, more like you.

I have done my time 47 years fully employed.
Paid my taxes all my life.
Done my job and been a worthwhile employee.

Now Im retired, living on my own money, I get nothing from the system I have supported all my life.

Paying for dole bludgers, abbos, illegal immigrants, single mothers who keep churning out kids for cash and a whole lot of other parasites.

I owe no one anything
And everyone owes me.

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Reply #17 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 5:55pm
 
The likes of Rinehart, Forrest, Packer and their ilk certainly need to be taxed according to their wealth without being able to use any loopholes or tax havens to avoid it. However tax laws made with the best of intentions usually end up working against the ordinary worker instead of ensuring the ultra wealthy pay their share. 
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Reply #18 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 6:22pm
 
Tax the wealthy

Two words

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Reply #19 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 6:52pm
 
This is a terrible idea. Unless your plan is to get all the rich people to either leave the country or invest their money overseas.
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Reply #20 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 6:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 6:52pm:
This is a terrible idea. Unless your plan is to get all the rich people to either leave the country or invest their money overseas.



There are hardly any manufacturing companies left
as they can get much cheaper tax to pay
in places like China, Malaysia, Indonesia or Taiwan.

The wages are also cheaper and there is little
cost for health and safety rules.
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Reply #21 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 7:46pm
 
freediver wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 6:52pm:
This is a terrible idea. Unless your plan is to get all the rich people to either leave the country or invest their money overseas.


Define rich.

Define wealthy.

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Reply #22 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 8:32pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 7:46pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 6:52pm:
This is a terrible idea. Unless your plan is to get all the rich people to either leave the country or invest their money overseas.


Define rich.

Define wealthy.


Rich people fall into money or obtain by illegal means.
Wealthy people earned it.
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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #23 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 8:47pm
 
Jasin wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 8:32pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 7:46pm:
freediver wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 6:52pm:
This is a terrible idea. Unless your plan is to get all the rich people to either leave the country or invest their money overseas.


Define rich.

Define wealthy.


Rich people fall into money or obtain by illegal means.

Wealthy people earned it.


Ok, if this is a tax on the wealthy then define wealthy? Is a wealthy person someone with more than 1 home? I don't know. That's why I'm asking.


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Reply #24 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 8:48pm
 
You can't have a discussion when the meaning of ordinary words are to be disputed first. It just demonstrated and emphasises that the disputants are not standing on the same ground.

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Reply #25 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 8:53pm
 
Frank wrote on Jan 18th, 2022 at 8:48pm:
You can't have a discussion when the meaning of ordinary words are to be disputed first. It just demonstrated and emphasises that the disputants are not standing on the same ground.



Exactly!

My notion of "being wealthy" might be very different to yours.




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Re: A wealth Tax Should Be Introduced In Australia
Reply #26 - Jan 18th, 2022 at 11:00pm
 
I think they were talking about taxes on income before all the diversions.  It's a tricky beast - legitimate expenses and costs of running a business should be accepted - but the same does not apply to a worker, who gets a few paltry concessions, but nothing like writing off the home base and costs of going to work etc.

It is out of balance.  There are people who roll over income into a super account and pay no tax and live high off the proceeds.
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Reply #27 - Jan 19th, 2022 at 3:58am
 
Greens release corporate tax plan to generate $338 billion over the next decade   
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Posted Mon 6 Sep 2021

Large companies and mining corporations could be paying more tax under a plan by the Greens that is reminiscent of a former Labor policy.

Key points:
A company with a turnover of more than $100 million would face a 40 per cent super-profits tax
The Greens want to see the tax spent on Medicare, JobSeeker and housing
Experts say Australia's corporate tax rate is already higher then many countries
Leader Adam Bandt said the measures would bring in $338 billion over the next decade, which would help fund dental appointments and mental health support, as well as lift the JobSeeker rate.

Elements of the policy mirror Labor's controversial mining tax that passed in 2012 but was later repealed by then-prime minister Tony Abbott.

The Greens' Corporate Super-Profits Tax is the party's attempt to stake out some political ground ahead of the looming federal election, which is likely to be held next year.

However, there are a lot of pieces of the political puzzle that need to fall into place for it to become a reality.

Greens say higher tax is needed
Mr Bandt believes many Australians support big business being hit with additional costs.

"While everyone else has suffered through the pandemic, billionaire corporations have made out like bandits and profits are at record highs," he said.

"A 'tycoon tax' is essential because there's huge wealth in this country, but it's being hoarded by a greedy few."

Under the proposal, a company that has a turnover of more than $100 million would be slugged with the 40 per cent corporate super-profits tax.


The new tax would apply to a company's net revenue, after income tax and a "fair return to shareholders" is deducted.

Independent economist Saul Eslake explained how it could work.

"In effect, they're saying that any company which generates profits that represent a return to shareholders in excess of 6 per cent, or thereabouts, after a payment of the normal company tax, should be paying an additional 40 per cent of those so-called excess profits to the government by way of tax," he said.

Mr Eslake argued that Australia's corporate tax rate was already higher than many other countries.

"Among the 38 or so member countries of the OECD, only Portugal and Colombia, neither of which are particularly developed, have higher statutory corporate tax rates than Australia does," he said.

"Indeed, Australia gets a larger proportion of its total tax revenue from company tax than most other so-called Western economies.

"So the case for Australia to do more in that context is, I think, not very compelling."

The tax bill issued to mining companies would be assessed on a project-by-project basis, which is what was recommended in the Ken Henry review commissioned by the former Labor government.

It led to the introduction of the mining tax in 2012 after years of negotiating and lobbying.

That tax was repealed two years later by the Coalition government.

However Mr Bandt is confident there is still support within opposition ranks to bring back such a tax.

"I think the case for a super-profits tax on these billionaire corporations, in a style originally proposed by Kevin Rudd, is only going to grow," he said.
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Reply #28 - Jan 19th, 2022 at 7:46am
 
So the wealth tax you're referring to is a tax on certain corporations not individuals. Yes?
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Reply #29 - Jan 19th, 2022 at 8:32am
 
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No. Some of the current taxes are inefficient to collect, act as unnecessary disincentives, or have other issues. Payroll tax is one example of a bad tax because it is inequitable and discourages the creation of jobs. Replacing payroll tax with a single tax assessed on company turnover would replace an inefficient tax with one that is more efficient to assess.


A turnover tax is an even worse idea, if you are talking about unnecessary disincentives. It would skew the entire economy towards high margin business.

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I think they were talking about taxes on income before all the diversions.


You give them too much credit.

I notice WK's post does not have a link, or any kind of detail about what is being proposed. Anyone know where it came from?
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