thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 27^th, 2022 at 8:11pm:


When France last introduced a wealth tax, 60000 millionaires left the country, and the poor people it was supposed to help ended up worse off.

But the socialists were happy because they were more equal in their poverty.

Filling jobs with Australians goes into too-hard basket
JUDITH SLOAN

That there are large numbers of people on JobSeeker – about 200,000 – who took up welfare payments during the pandemic but remain without employment suggests there is a potential source of labour that could be tapped.

For some people, the net advantages of not working (including the payment of a slightly higher JobSeeker and other top-ups) are greater than the net advantages of working. This creates a dilemma for the government because the employability of these welfare recipients declines the longer their duration of joblessness.

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 8:36pm:


Exactly.

Amazing how no one bothered to address this freaking obvious elephant in the room.

Frank wrote on Jan 28^th, 2022 at 7:50am:


I lost a particularly good employee a few years ago.
He was sorry he was leaving, saying he enjoyed his work and the people he worked for.

The problem was this.
His pay, while being above award,  worked out to be less than his disposable income on welfare.

With 4 children, one being disabled.
His aboriginal links (great grandfather apparently)
And the cost of fuel to get to and from work.
It was some ways short of welfare, plus he could more easily get welfare housing that he couldnt get working.

This is the face of uncontrolled welfare in Australia.
And this is why working people pay more tax than they should.

The rich will never pay more than they can afford.
One business owner i worked for years ago, told me tgat he employed an accountant full time to find ways to minimise his tax.
He said it was cheaper to pay $180,000.00 @ year for this accountant than to pay 10 times that in "avoidable" taxes.

Remember mr Alan Bond
Tge multimillionaire?

He often boasted tgat he only paid tax on $25,000.00 a year.

Then there is the Qantas pooftah.
Didnt pay a cent in tax for years,  still looking for an out from what I hear.

Multinationals ship profits off shore.
For example,
Our high quality coal is sold for a fraction of what we got for it 20 years ago.
Why?
Because the owners do deals with themselves to buy it cheap.
Then, while on the ship to its final destination, it triples in value so that landed its worth several times what they bought it for in Australia.
They only pay tax on what they bought it for.
They get a tax break for expenses mining it.
And they pocket billions.

And this is only a couple of examples.
It wont change as long as we have corrupt public servants, corrupt multinationals and corrupt politicians.
In other words, it will never change.

freediver wrote on Jan 27^th, 2022 at 9:59pm:


You really should read the post you are replying to.

The G7 is dealing with the issue of international tax shifting for the 1st time in history.
Wow...international co-operation, to deal with the private greed of tax-avoiding billionaires. 

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 28^th, 2022 at 8:52am:


As you can see in this thread, I reply line by line to all debaters, unlike you who just pop in now and again to spout your delusional survival of the fittest ideology, and then run away from the debate
Note: if you want to be understood, you continue the debate, or concede....

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Addressed above. 

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Hmm...Tcherneva versus Sloan? (But I doubt you are even following the debate).

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But you obviously don't read it.

Lisa Jones wrote on Jan 28^th, 2022 at 9:00am:


See... you are merely proving you are not following the debate; in this case with Valkie, who had to be shamed into defending his stuff  (unsuccessfully, as always).   

So if you don't have time to read the debate, at least refrain from making ill-informed comments like yours above.

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On holidays... and loving  demolishing the conservative ideology in all its delusional forms.....