freediver wrote on Feb 2
nd, 2022 at 6:01pm:
How will they do that, without any guidance, when the only guidance you can provide is that the job is guaranteed and no-one is expected to perform above their "ability"?
The local council inspector (see below).
Quote:You are missing the point. I am not making any value judgements about what they produce.
Good, you are almost there.
Quote: I am talking about how hard they work. It doesn't matter whether it is harvesting sugar cane for coca cola or cleaning out an old ladies gutters, a worker's productivity depends on their level of motivation.
Yes, and motivation is supplied by an above poverty wage (the carrot) cf below poverty wejfare (the stick) which faces all of us in the job market. "How hard they work" is a matter of agreement between the council and the worker.
Quote:Socialism, and everything you rebrand it as, like a job guarantee, destroys that motivation.
And yet people are forced onto the dole in our current evil money-based system (instead of a people-based system).
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From each according to his ability"....with a JG to ensure everyone can particpate..... check.
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To each according to need"....this bit needs closer examination; after the individual is given the opportunity to participate (as stated above) to earn the basics required for normal social engagement in the community, anything more than that is up to the individual, in the competitve private sector or regular public service. Note that in these latter cases,
individuals must compete with their different abilities, whereas the JG enables an indivual to particpate without competing with anyone else, but merely against himself (by offering his best performance, as agreed by the council offering the JG job)
Quote:Ignoring it is foolish. People who make a lot of money tend to work far harder than the average person.
Addressed above; reducing people to the status of mere competitiors for money, with below-poverty welfare as the 'safety net'.. is an evil money-centric system.
Quote: When you say they make it in their sleep, you only demonstrate your inability to understand the concept of delayed reward.
BS. YOU completely misunderstood Oxfam's report on the effects of government pandemic-related intervention on asset prices.
Quote:This sounds exactly like capitalism, except worse because the basic welfare is going to be lower to begin with. You have just discarded the fundamental principle of socialism - too each according to their need.
No, the "basic welfare" (below poverty, as at present) would be either sought, or apply to very few people.
Quote:So basically, when you say there are guaranteed job, the only thing that is guaranteed is that people will be made to work, but not the salary.
The JG wage is fixed, is the price anchor in the economy, and acts as the minimumlegal wage.
Quote:How do you come up with a system to ensure that everyone across all sectors of the economy is punished equally and fairly if they are too lazy to do their job?
You talking about "equally and fairly" regarding access to a living wage is the ultimate irony.
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