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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49074 At my desk.	socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Jan 26^th, 2022 at 2:21pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 12:52pm: I am a socialist What do you think of the CCP?
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #1 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 3:13pm They can get people to goosestep well, like Germans and Russians used to!
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Reply #2 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 3:24pm

Approximately 60% of North Korea’s population lives in poverty.

North Korea has a command economy, which is commonplace among communist countries. The government has control over all monetary exchanges, causing the economy to remain relatively stagnant due to a lack of competition between businesses.

Poverty is defined by China as anyone in rural areas earning less than about $2.30 a day (adjusted for inflation). It was fixed in 2010 and looks at income but also living conditions, healthcare and education. Provinces have been racing to reach the goal. Jiangsu, for example, announced in January last year that only 17 of its 80 million residents still lived in poverty. The national benchmark used by the Chinese government is slightly higher than the $1.90 a day poverty line used by the World Bank to look at poverty globally.

So much for 'lifting people out of poverty' under socialism - just define away poverty and lie it away. You get $2.50 A DAY? You're alright, Pong.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #3 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 4:47pm Australian socialists, and that includes most Labor/Green voters, are cautious when discussing the CCP. I think they know they are skating on thin ice when it comes to praising economic progress in China.
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Reply #4 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 5:47pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 2:21pm:

What do you think of the CCP?

Being a socialist, I hope the CCP - practicing "socialism with Chinese characteristics" - can deal with all the challenges China is currently facing, not least US determination to "contain China".....and continue to display the fastest increase in living standards of any nation in history, to finally achieve (by 2049, the 100th anniversary of the revolution) a "prosperous socialist nation in all respects" with common prosperity (in contrast to the entrenched poverty that will always be a feature of un-managed market economies).

Note: the CCP has widespread support among the people, so I ignore the "Xi is Stalin" crap of western anti-socialist demagogues.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #5 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:00pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 5:47pm: I ignore the "Xi is Stalin" crap of western anti-socialist demagogues. Would you settle for Kruschev?
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12972 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #6 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:03pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 3:13pm: They can get people to goosestep well, like Germans and Russians used to! Always incredibly impressive, like a Scots band with those massive drums, sticks flying, and wind-pipers, all performing with military precision....
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Reply #7 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:07pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:03pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 3:13pm:

They can get people to goosestep well, like Germans and Russians used to!

Always incredibly impressive, like a Scots band with those massive drums, sticks flying, and wind-pipers, all performing with military precision....

The highland Scots are historically tribal warriors but free thinkers.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12972 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #8 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:07pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:00pm: Would you settle for Kruschev? I don't know enough about Kruschev's understanding of economics to answer that question. Certainly (AFAIK) Kruschev never murdered anyone.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #9 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:10pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:07pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:00pm: Would you settle for Kruschev? I don't know enough about Kruschev's understanding of economics to answer that question. Certainly (AFAIK) Kruschev never murdered anyone. And he was deposed, so..
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12972 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #10 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:12pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:07pm: The highland Scots are historically tribal warriors but free thinkers. Yes, engaging/carrying on the tradition of unending slaughter that is the outcome of tribal (or any) warfare.
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Reply #11 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:15pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:12pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:07pm:

The highland Scots are historically tribal warriors but free thinkers.

Yes, engaging/carrying on the tradition of unending slaughter that is the outcome of tribal (or any) warfare.

So you admire them, but..

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12972 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #12 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:15pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:10pm: And he was deposed, so.. You're the one telling the soviet 'socialist' story (ancient history), so.....
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Reply #13 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:20pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:15pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:10pm:

And he was deposed, so..

You're the one telling the soviet 'socialist' story (ancient history), so.....

I'm just wondering that he was deposed because.. maybe.. he didn't murder as many of his own people as Stalin or Mao.

Not murdering anyone is not work experience proof on any totalitarian's CV.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12972 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #14 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:22pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:15pm: So you admire them, but... Are you nuts? I loathe the unending slaugterhouse of tribal warfare. How on earth you perceived otherwise is beyond me...
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