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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12973 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #150 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:20pm freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 8:51pm: Do the Chinese hate Indians or something? No.
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Reply #151 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:22pm

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issuevoter wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

I am not convinced the end of the One Child policy was due to pragmatism. It seems more likely that the policy became unworkable.

It wasn't pragmatism, it was panic.

They went from the 2-child policy to the 3-child policy within 6 years.

Hardly sounds like panic.

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Reply #152 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:28pm

freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 9:16pm:

Don't underestimate the economic benefit China has received from the policy. While it is true that birth rates often (but not always - eg oil rich middle east countries) drop as a result of wealth, the opposite is often also true. The plague is often credited with helping to kickstart the industrial revolution in Europe. People went from living on a Malthusian knife edge to having plenty of spare food, land and other resources. They were instantly richer, merely in terms of the amount of land each person owned.

Not struggling just to feed a booming population no doubt helped China. As did the extra time and money parents could invest in educating their only child. And the far higher demands and expectations they had of that child.

Yes. proving that Chinese intervention into population growth helped the transition to developed country status.

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The western media does a lot of fear mongering about our declining or plateauing population, but it is far better than the alternative. Unless the CCP wants to use the little princes as cannon fodder, it has nothing to worry about either.

Agreed.

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Reply #153 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:35pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 9:27pm:

Lock in d) Eddie - impossible to change the culture.

Wrong. A forward looking state like China, concentrating on national development with common prosperity, not hide-bound by conflicting religious mythology among poverty stricken "deplorables" (to borrow Clinton's word) as in India, will be able to be far more adaptable and pragmatic.

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Reply #154 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:39pm

issuevoter wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 8:36am:

The "elephant" in the world's room is over-population, and the Chinese were the only people who tried to do anything about it. I am sorry they have abandoned the policy, but it was probably unworkable in the long run

A sensible post. The real problem in China was the resulting excess of male births.

Meantime 'flat earth' mainstream economists are still bleating about the need for "growth".....as if the planet has infinite resources.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12579 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #155 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:47pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:20pm: freediver wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 8:51pm: Do the Chinese hate Indians or something? No. The 'two fires' images published last year suggest otherwise.
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Reply #156 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:47pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 8:43am:

It was short-sighted and mad.

No it wasn't, as I have already explained to you; a huge subsistence poverty population must first get pop. growth under control.

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Aside from cultural male gender-preference, a rural nation's farmers needed males to work fields.
It led to female infanticide and abandonment.

The correct solution would have been reduction in both male and female births; there would still have been a vast army of poor to work the fields, capable of growing enough food to feed the (lower) population.

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Reply #157 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:52pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 9:00pm:

issuevoter wrote on Jan 30^th, 2022 at 8:49pm:

I am not convinced the end of the One Child policy was due to pragmatism. It seems more likely that the policy became unworkable.

It wasn't pragmatism, it was panic.

They went from the 2-child policy to the 3-child policy within 6 years.

Hardly sounds like panic.

And then the removal of all restrictions just 2 months after the 3-child policy was established?

It was panic.

The loosening of restricting childbirth did not achieve the prayed-for baby-boom.

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Reply #158 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:56pm

Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 11:03am:

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/510FdmCFTeL._SY344_BO1,204,203,...

Interesting thesis, but it's over now. The US government is increasingly banning US companies from doing business in China; hopefully China can continue to develop its own technology (eg the space station) and trade with other countries.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12973 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #159 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:59pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 11:19am: Very good point. Still. the policy has been changed as required, so.....
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12973 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #160 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:06pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:47pm: The 'two fires' images published last year suggest otherwise. India and China are squabbling over borders drawn up by the Brits; and Indian 'democracy' ideologues scorn China, but Chinese people would rather have good relations with Indian people.
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Reply #161 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:09pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:06pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:47pm:

The 'two fires' images published last year suggest otherwise.

India and China are squabbling over borders drawn up by the Brits; and Indian 'democracy' ideologues scorn China, but Chinese people would rather have good relations with Indian people.

You speak for 'we, the Chinese people'?

India hosts the Dalai Llama and the Tibetan government-in-exile and recruits Tibetans into its army to patrol the Tibetan border. India would likely also support Tibetan independence should the opportunity arise.

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Reply #162 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:24pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:52pm:

And then the removal of all restrictions just 2 months after the 3-child policy was established?
It was panic.

The policy started slowly (1 to 2 births over 6 years), but now the policy (to control population growth) has succeeded, it seems like the absurd mainstream narrative about declining workforce to look after an aging population is taking hold.

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The loosening of restricting childbirth did not achieve the prayed-for baby-boom.

It's a question of maintaining the right population; now that China is a developed country it can prosper with a steady, or declining population (despite what deluded mainstream economists say).

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12579 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #163 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:36pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:24pm: now that China is a developed country it can prosper with a steady, or declining population (despite what deluded mainstream economists say). Doesn't the CCP claim China is a developing country?
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Reply #164 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:38pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 12:52pm:

And then the removal of all restrictions just 2 months after the 3-child policy was established?
It was panic.

The policy started slowly (1 to 2 births over 6 years), but now the policy (to control population growth) has succeeded,

And you know it is a success because?

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