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Reply #180 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 3:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 2:55pm:

Were you born in China? I guess you're not posting from China as that would be illegal, unless you've had approval from the CCP.

Irrelevant to facts re population control in nations blighted by absolute poverty, infanticide, and lifting living standards.

OK, but as an aside, are you Chinese living in Australia?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #181 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:13pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 3:42pm: Ozy ozy ozy, oi oi oi there's plenty of racism to go around... Ozzy ozzy ozzy, oi oi oi isn't racist; low-brow light-hearted nationalism, but not racist.
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #182 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:18pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 2:36pm: unlike their unfortunate sisters in rural India... Given India ranks 99th in world for birth rates, you could have chosen, say, Afghanistan. Why India?
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Reply #183 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:38pm

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It does to mainstream flat-earth economic ideologues

Strawman.

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Agreed, so you will be able to understand the basic tenet of MMT, namely, the nation's constraint is resources, not money...

You just agreed with the exact opposite of this.

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China has reached developed nation status

Not if you ask them to give up the free ride on intellectual property law. Then they suddenly become a third world country again.

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Why India?

I'm not really convinced by his latest explanation either. Perhaps the CCP sees them as rivals, particularly in the cannon fodder department, so the propaganda ministry instructs its stooges to use them as an example wherever possible.

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Reply #184 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:50pm

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:38pm:

Perhaps the CCP sees them as rivals, particularly in the cannon fodder department, so the propaganda ministry instructs its stooges to use them as an example wherever possible.

Competitors in the cheap labour department, I'd bet.

6.4 Yuan to the US dollar.

The Yuan is artificially low against the American dollar for a developed nation. I wonder why.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 46491 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #185 - Jan 31^st, 2022 at 7:56pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 2:11pm: freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 1:49pm: Is drowning female babies at birth in a bucket of water pragmatic? In a poverty ravaged nation, yes. You are evil like the Chinese Communist Party that pays you and keeps you.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12972 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #186 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 1:52pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:13pm: Ozzy ozzy ozzy, oi oi oi isn't racist; low-brow light-hearted nationalism, but not racist. OK, so Australians aren't racist, my apologies......only Chinese people are racist.
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Reply #187 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 1:58pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:18pm:

Given India ranks 99th in world for birth rates, you could have chosen, say, Afghanistan. Why India?

Because I'm comparing the different experience in lifting people out of poverty in two similarly-sized countries. China 5 times as successful as India in the last 4 decades, with similar starting positions.

Meanwhile Modi is creating religious conflict with Muslims, whereas China is containing it, as the upcoming visit to Xinjiang by Michelle Bachelet will confirm.

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Reply #188 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 2:15pm

freediver wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:38pm:

Strawman.

Next you will be telling us mainstream economists DON'T promote continuous growth as the way to lift living standards.

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You just agreed with the exact opposite of this.

How? I'm claiming living standards can be raised regardless of population growth (except that population growth MUST be contained in an absolute poverty scenario) , the constraint is resources which nevertheless (despite not being infinite) are sufficiently available to eradicate poverty.

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Not if you ask them to give up the free ride on intellectual property law. Then they suddenly become a third world country again.

Too late. China is throwing huge resources (which it CAN afford) into developing its home-grown AI, IT and IC technologies.

"China retained its position as the world's largest industrial robot market for the sixth year in a row by selling 156,000 units in 2018, with the nation accounting for 36 percent of total installation globally, several industry reports said."

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Perhaps the CCP sees them as rivals, particularly in the cannon fodder department, so the propaganda ministry instructs its stooges to use them as an example wherever possible.

Cannon fodder? Both countries have huge populations so there is no advantage for China there.

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Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party
Reply #189 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 2:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:50pm:

Competitors in the cheap labour department, I'd bet.

No, China is moving up the value chain, to compete with the US and EU.

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6.4 Yuan to the US dollar.

The Yuan is artificially low against the American dollar for a developed nation. I wonder why.

81 Yen to the Oz dollar, is the Yen artificially low?

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12972 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #190 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 2:24pm Frank wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 7:56pm: You are evil like the Chinese Communist Party that pays you and keeps you. What is the abortion rate in Australia cf with new 'unlimited child policy' in China?
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Reply #191 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 3:17pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 1^st, 2022 at 1:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:13pm:

Ozzy ozzy ozzy, oi oi oi isn't racist; low-brow light-hearted nationalism, but not racist.

OK, so Australians aren't racist, my apologies......only Chinese people are racist.

Now you're just being petulant.

Ozzy ozzy ozzy, oi oi oi is not racist chant; low-brow light-hearted nationalism, but not racist.

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Reply #192 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 3:19pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 1^st, 2022 at 2:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 6:50pm:

Competitors in the cheap labour department, I'd bet.

No, China is moving up the value chain, to compete with the US and EU.

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6.4 Yuan to the US dollar.

The Yuan is artificially low against the American dollar for a developed nation. I wonder why.

81 Yen to the Oz dollar, is the Yen artificially low?

Not a good choice, Japan.

The Japanese are paid 5 - 10 times in average wages than the Chinese, depending on the province, and excluding those Chinese (like migrant workers bussed in from villages to work in low to very low paying jobs, if paid at all).

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Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party
Reply #193 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 3:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 1^st, 2022 at 1:58pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:18pm:

Given India ranks 99th in world for birth rates, you could have chosen, say, Afghanistan. Why India?

Because I'm comparing the different experience in lifting people out of poverty in two similarly-sized countries. China 5 times as successful as India in the last 4 decades, with similar starting positions.

Why?

You could have used much less populated poor countries which would have strengthened your case for China's economic 'miracle'.

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Reply #194 - Feb 1^st, 2022 at 3:22pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 4:11pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 3:42pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 31^st, 2022 at 2:55pm:

Were you born in China? I guess you're not posting from China as that would be illegal, unless you've had approval from the CCP.

Irrelevant to facts re population control in nations blighted by absolute poverty, infanticide, and lifting living standards.

OK, but as an aside, are you Chinese living in Australia?

So, anyway. Are you a Chinese national living in Australia?

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