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Reply #255 - Feb 10^th, 2022 at 10:01pm

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

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China is no longer "getting a free ride"

Try reading what I actually post. If you do not understand it, ask what I mean instead of picking a random response from your CCP pamphlet. Here it is again: And yet China still call's itself a third world country when it comes to the free ride it is getting on intellectual property rights.

I did read your post, and you are talking garbage.

China is no longer getting a free IP ride, and it no longer calls itself a 3rd world country..... since it officially announced the eradication of absolute poverty from the last remaining such remote rural groups last year (2021).

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Reply #256 - Feb 10^th, 2022 at 10:05pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 5:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 1:48pm:

this is a debating forum, not a social club. My personal circumstances need be of no interest to you.

Are you a Chinese national? Are you posting from China?

Your status as a Chinese national is of particular importance as it is against the law for a Chinese national to discuss or debate anything that is not in the interests of furthering the totalitarian rule of the CCP.

And, given it was Chinese nationals who bashed Drew Pavlou, your status as a Chinese national (particularly if you are in Australia) is of considerable importance.

I think you need to answer these questions.

The CCP has expended a lot of effort to avoid its media content via its distributors like CGTN &etc from being publicly tagged as controlled all or in part by the CCP.

It has been co-opting foreign organisations to publish CCP propaganda under their own brand names to avoid this tagging.

Are you a Chinese national? Are you posting from China?

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Reply #257 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 2:02am

freediver wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 6:21pm:

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China is no longer "getting a free ride"

Try reading what I actually post. If you do not understand it, ask what I mean instead of picking a random response from your CCP pamphlet. Here it is again: And yet China still call's itself a third world country when it comes to the free ride it is getting on intellectual property rights.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1583380619/1890

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Reply #258 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 2:03am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 5:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 1:48pm:

this is a debating forum, not a social club. My personal circumstances need be of no interest to you.

Are you a Chinese national? Are you posting from China?

Your status as a Chinese national is of particular importance as it is against the law for a Chinese national to discuss or debate anything that is not in the interests of furthering the totalitarian rule of the CCP.

And, given it was Chinese nationals who bashed Drew Pavlou, your status as a Chinese national (particularly if you are in Australia) is of considerable importance.

https://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1583380619/1890

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If I let myself be bought then I am no longer free.

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Reply #259 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:01am

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 10:05pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 6:26pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 5:45pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 1:48pm:

this is a debating forum, not a social club. My personal circumstances need be of no interest to you.

Are you a Chinese national? Are you posting from China?

Your status as a Chinese national is of particular importance as it is against the law for a Chinese national to discuss or debate anything that is not in the interests of furthering the totalitarian rule of the CCP.

And, given it was Chinese nationals who bashed Drew Pavlou, your status as a Chinese national (particularly if you are in Australia) is of considerable importance.

I think you need to answer these questions.

The CCP has expended a lot of effort to avoid its media content via its distributors like CGTN &etc from being publicly tagged as controlled all or in part by the CCP.

It has been co-opting foreign organisations to publish CCP propaganda under their own brand names to avoid this tagging.

Are you a Chinese national? Are you posting from China?

test

I guess that response was to turn the page on this forum.

It is important that you answer these questions.

If you are a Chinese national in China and you are illegally using a VPN, then that is significant as opposed to being a Chinese national in China permitted by the security bureau to access foreign websites to post CCP-approved propaganda.

Are you a Chinese national? Are you posting from China?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35465 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #260 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am Look out FD! The CCP are infiltrating your forum! Next, there'll be about 8 boomers on canes writing furious letters to Today Tonight!
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #261 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:42am mothra wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am: Look out FD! The CCP are infiltrating your forum! If only that's all it was.
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Reply #262 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 1:08pm

mothra wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am:

Look out FD! The CCP are infiltrating your forum!

Next, there'll be about 8 boomers on canes writing furious letters to Today Tonight!

Meanwhile f**wit Dutton is accusing Albo of being more desirable to the CCP....as if Albo can help that, when the ALP is as anti-China as the best of them...

Sheer evil sovereign individual ideology responsible for the chaos in the world.

For a more rational approach to China :

https://academic.oup.com/cjip/article/11/1/1/4844055

Chinese Values vs. Liberalism: What Ideology Will Shape the International Normative Order?

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12545 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #264 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 2:52pm thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 1:09pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:42am: mothra wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am: Look out FD! The CCP are infiltrating your forum! If only that's all it was. test test, eh?
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Reply #265 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 7:45pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 1:08pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 8:38am:

Look out FD! The CCP are infiltrating your forum!

Next, there'll be about 8 boomers on canes writing furious letters to Today Tonight!

Meanwhile f**wit Dutton is accusing Albo of being more desirable to the CCP....as if Albo can help that, when the ALP is as anti-China as the best of them...

Sheer evil sovereign individual ideology responsible for the chaos in the world.

For a more rational approach to China :

https://academic.oup.com/cjip/article/11/1/1/4844055

Chinese Values vs. Liberalism: What Ideology Will Shape the International Normative Order?

A complete load of Chinese agit-prop bullshit.

Chinese Values vs. Liberalism: What Ideology Will Shape the International Normative Order?
Xuetong Yan
The Chinese Journal of International Politics, Volume 11, Issue 1, Spring 2018, Pages 1–22, https://doi.org/10.1093/cjip/poy001
Published: 08 February 2018

"Use the past to serve the present," declares the website of the China Centre of Jesus College, Cambridge. It seems a sensible motto, until you know that it’s the first half of a maxim of Chairman Mao’s, and that the second half is ‘make the foreign serve China’.

The National Socialist Republic of China.

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Estragon: I can’t go on like this.
Vladimir: That’s what you think.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16612 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #266 - Feb 11^th, 2022 at 9:32pm China, the ultimate tall poppy syndrome state. You should have a look at the tech companies they have decapitated in the last year or so. You get your head above Xi's level, your company is gone and so are you.
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Reply #267 - Feb 12^th, 2022 at 12:05pm

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

A complete load of Chinese agit-prop bullshit.

Chinese Values vs. Liberalism: What Ideology Will Shape the International Normative Order?
Xuetong Yan
The Chinese Journal of International Politics, Volume 11, Issue 1, Spring 2018, Pages 1–22, https://doi.org/10.1093/cjip/poy001
Published: 08 February 2018

"Use the past to serve the present," declares the website of the China Centre of Jesus College, Cambridge. It seems a sensible motto, until you know that it’s the first half of a maxim of Chairman Mao’s, and that the second half is ‘make the foreign serve China’.

The National Socialist Republic of China.

Refuted in another thread: (from 'Chinese Values vs. Liberalism: What Ideology Will Shape the International Normative Order'?

"The Christian tradition values the concept of equality as one enjoined by the natural law of life.36 However, due to inherent genetic differences and divergent social environments, disparities between human beings are inevitable, as apparent in variances in intelligence, strength, height, weight, and athleticism, as well as in social differences rooted in family background, education, peers, and so on. Focusing on equality without taking these differences into consideration is equivalent to advocating the jungle law of unquestioned equal rights and zero distinctions between the advantaged and the disadvantaged. The individualist value of liberalism thus often leads to conflict rather than cooperation among human beings. Even when defined in terms of competitive opportunity,37 under circumstances where violent means are the best option for winning competitions, absolute equality can still generate life-and-death rivalry. The war between different religious groups in Libya since 2011 is a case in point.38

Benevolence (ren) is the core idea and social norm of Confucianism, which as a governing principle calls upon state leaders to empathise with and care for their peoples".

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Reply #268 - Feb 12^th, 2022 at 12:20pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 9:32pm:

China, the ultimate tall poppy syndrome state. You should have a look at the tech companies they have decapitated in the last year or so. You get your head above Xi's level, your company is gone and so are you.

Not the tall poppy syndrome, but a determination to achieve individual success AND 'common prosperity'.

Those tech companies often have scant relation to enabling prosperous development in the real economy. (Facebook in the US is a good example:

https://www.teenvogue.com/story/facebook-monopoly-communications

Facebook Is a Monopoly — Here’s Why That Matters

The same issues with 'big tech' are arising in China, which the CCP is dealing with.

And generally the Chinese CEOs are in agreement with the state's policy reforms.

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12973 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #269 - Feb 12^th, 2022 at 12:21pm Setanta wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 9:32pm: China, the ultimate tall poppy syndrome state. You should have a look at the tech companies they have decapitated in the last year or so. You get your head above Xi's level, your company is gone and so are you. test
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