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Reply #15 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:27pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 5:47pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 2:21pm:

What do you think of the CCP?

Being a socialist, I hope the CCP - practicing "socialism with Chinese characteristics" - can deal with all the challenges China is currently facing, not least US determination to "contain China".....and continue to display the fastest increase in living standards of any nation in history, to finally achieve (by 2049, the 100th anniversary of the revolution) a "prosperous socialist nation in all respects" with common prosperity (in contrast to the entrenched poverty that will always be a feature of un-managed market economies).

Note: the CCP has widespread support among the people, so I ignore the "Xi is Stalin" crap of western anti-socialist demagogues.

Have you noticed that the CCP is achieving all these amazing things by transitioning to free market capitalism? At a faster rate than just about any country in history?

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Reply #17 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:28pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:22pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:15pm:

So you admire them, but...

Are you nuts?

I loathe the unending slaugterhouse of tribal warfare.
How on earth you perceived otherwise is beyond me...

No offence intended.

I admire the Chinese instinct for pragmatism and acute business sense.

It's why the sensibility of Hamlet can't be successfully translated into Chinese.

I'm told that 'To be or not to be, that is the question' translates most easily into Chinese as: 'Live or or die, that's it'.

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Reply #18 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:20pm:

Not murdering anyone is not work experience proof on any totalitarian's CV.

Yet the crucifixion of a truth teller (eg Assange) exposing the murder of civilians is a characteristic of the 'democratic' 'values based' US government.

Hypocrites.

Yes, Every nation's playing poker at the high table. And they're all cheating!

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Reply #19 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:29pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:28pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:20pm:

Not murdering anyone is not work experience proof on any totalitarian's CV.

Yet the crucifixion of a truth teller (eg Assange) exposing the murder of civilians is a characteristic of the 'democratic' 'values based' US government.

Hypocrites.

Assange is still alive.

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Reply #20 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:34pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:27pm:

Have you noticed that the CCP is achieving all these amazing things by transitioning to free market capitalism? At a faster rate than just about any country in history?

And yet the US is condemning China for not 'liberalizing' trade. Which is it?

Ellen Brown has another take:

https://www.truthdig.com/articles/the-american-dream-is-alive-and-well-in-china/

The American Dream Is Alive and Well—in China

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49091 At my desk.	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #21 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:35pm Quote: And yet the US is condemning China for not 'liberalizing' trade. Which is it? There is not contradiction there. I did not say they had achieved free market capitalism.
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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12978 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #22 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:40pm freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:29pm: Assange is still alive. And crucified by murderous hypocrites, even if he is not actually dead yet, (no doubt drawing on remarkable reserves of inner strength).
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Reply #23 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:40pm

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:35pm:

I did not say they had achieved free market capitalism.

But if any people are genetically and culturally primed for free market capitalism and their contempt for politics (leaving out their Confucian obsession with obeisance), it's a wonder they're not the world's greatest democracy.

Maybe their fear of chaos?

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thegreatdivide Gold Member Offline Australian Politics<br /> Posts: 12978 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #24 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:43pm freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:35pm: I did not say they had achieved free market capitalism. That's right, they are avoiding it like the plague...
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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12583 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #25 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:50pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:43pm: freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:35pm: I did not say they had achieved free market capitalism. That's right, they are avoiding it like the plague... Phew! The CCP has bought us another 30 years!
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Reply #26 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:52pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

But if any people are genetically and culturally primed for free market capitalism and their contempt for politics (leaving out their Confucian obsession with obeisance), it's a wonder they're not the world's greatest democracy.

Maybe their fear of chaos?

Whatever, the CCP's goal of 'prosperous socialist society in all respects' appears within reach.

Meanwhile Ellen Brown is scratching her head trying to work out why "the American Dream is alive and well in China" while US democracy is on the verge of collapse and half the population are living paycheck to paycheck ...if you even have a job....

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Reply #27 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:55pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

freediver wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:29pm:

Assange is still alive.

And crucified by murderous hypocrites, even if he is not actually dead yet, (no doubt drawing on remarkable reserves of inner strength).

Ask the propaganda ministry to explain to you what crucified means, and how silly you look accusing western countries of this while defending China.

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But if any people are genetically and culturally primed for free market capitalism and their contempt for politics (leaving out their Confucian obsession with obeisance), it's a wonder they're not the world's greatest democracy.

Maybe their fear of chaos?

Ask any westerner doing business in China and they will tell you the Chinese have enourmous cultural baggage to get over before they catch up with the west. Starting with their education system, which teaches them to regurgitate, but not think.

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That's right, they are avoiding it like the plague...

Like said, they are transitioning faster than any other country in history. That means moving towards it, not avoiding it.

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Whatever, the CCP's goal of 'prosperous socialist society in all respects' appears within reach.

Sure, but only to the extent that "capitalist country that still calls itself socialist" is in reach.

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Reply #28 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:56pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:52pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:40pm:

But if any people are genetically and culturally primed for free market capitalism and their contempt for politics (leaving out their Confucian obsession with obeisance), it's a wonder they're not the world's greatest democracy.

Maybe their fear of chaos?

Whatever, the CCP's goal of 'prosperous socialist society in all respects' appears within reach.

'Appears' being the operative word. Like, 'mirage'.

Anyone who seeks to understand the Chinese (and I suspect you do) might learn that that they appear to have an instinctive disregard for the emperor; which increases the further from his palace the village is located.

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Reply #29 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:57pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:50pm:

Phew! The CCP has bought us another 30 years!

Sorry, western economists predict the Chinese economy will surpass the US in less than 10 years.

You better stop fighting among yourselves if you want to prevent it...though you are genetically predisposed to continue doing just that, deluded 'individual sovereignty' fools that you are, so not much hope ....

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