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Reply #30 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:59pm

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Sorry, western economists predict the Chinese economy will surpass the US in less than 10 years.

Not on a per capita basis. That means still poor by comparison. Same income, divided by over four times as many people.

But even that is an impressive feat compared to when they were starving under the shackles of communism a generation ago.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12583 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #31 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:59pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:57pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:50pm: Phew! The CCP has bought us another 30 years! Sorry, western economists predict the Chinese economy will surpass the US in less than 10 years. Ah! Economists' predictions.
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Reply #32 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:07pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:56pm:

'Appears' being the operative word. Like, 'mirage'.

No, as in 'predicted' by Western economists.

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Anyone who seeks to understand the Chinese (and I suspect you do) might learn that that they appear to have an instinctive disregard for the emperor; which increases the further from his palace the village is located.

The CCP might well be the first government in China's history to achieve the support of all its citizens....as opposed to the usual half, at best, achieved by the governing party in adversarial multi party rabbles aka democracy.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12583 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #33 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:09pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:07pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:56pm: 'Appears' being the operative word. Like, 'mirage'. No, as in 'predicted' by Western economists. Don't believe everything we tell you via megaphone!
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Reply #34 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:12pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

Ah! Economists' predictions.

Usually worthless I agree, but what have they - China's adversaries - got to gain with such predictions?

Anyway, not long to find out....

[meanwhile China is cutting interest rates, while the US is raising them... which of these policies is more likely to increase the nation's output?]

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12583 Gender:	Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party Reply #35 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:14pm thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:12pm: MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 6:59pm: Ah! Economists' predictions. Usually worthless I agree Unless its suits your narrative.
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Reply #36 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:14pm:

Unless its suits your narrative.

Which is: what have they - China's adversaries - got to gain with such predictions?

Anyway, not long to find out....

[meanwhile China is cutting interest rates, while the US is raising them... which of these policies is more likely to increase the nation's output?]

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Reply #37 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:22pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:14pm:

Unless its suits your narrative.

Which is: what have they - China's adversaries - got to gain with such predictions?

You threw it out there a few posts back as proof that China will rise.

I'd say it's political subterfuge.

But, are you asking me what you mean?

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Reply #38 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:38pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:22pm:

You threw it out there a few posts back as proof that China will rise. I'd say it's political subterfuge.

Ah...thanks, that might be behind the prediction, but it may still be correct, given rates of growth in China up to the present.

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But, are you asking me what you mean?

No I am asking you what the western economists mean.....

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Reply #39 - Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:42pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:38pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:22pm:

You threw it out there a few posts back as proof that China will rise. I'd say it's political subterfuge.

Ah...thanks, that might be behind the prediction, but it may still be correct, given rates of growth in China up to the present.

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But, are you asking me what you mean?

No I am asking you what the western economists mean.....

Yeah, 'rates of growth', as reported by the CCP and no dissenting opinion will be entertained.

Western economists? Other than deceiving the CCP?

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Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party
Reply #41 - Jan 27^th, 2022 at 6:57am

Politically, the goal of socialism is to make all citizens wards of the state. Thus cementing control. This is the purpose of UBI. Socialists in the capitalist West, still cling to the idea of a Marxist utopia and are reluctant to acknowledge that the CCP, for all its "socialism" only exists by police and military force. If I said this in China, I would disappear.

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Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party
Reply #42 - Jan 27^th, 2022 at 10:49am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 7:42pm:

Yeah, 'rates of growth', as reported by the CCP and no dissenting opinion will be entertained.

?? No, as seen in eg, rolling out the world's most extensive HS rail network, and internationally accepted GDP figures, both in PPP terms, by which China is already the world's largest economy, which explains the existence of a middle class of 400 million people soon to be doubled by 2030) and in nominal terms, by which China is rapidly gaining on the US.

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Western economists? Other than deceiving the CCP?

World Bank economists have a pretty good handle on global economic stats.

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Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party
Reply #43 - Jan 27^th, 2022 at 10:56am

Frank wrote on Jan 26^th, 2022 at 8:37pm:

Why so many socialist Chinese billionnaires

Because Deng accepted that some need to get rich before the nation can get rich.

But the CCP remains true to its socialist 'common prosperity' goal, which is why they have started to crack down on the 'funny money' tricks of financial capitalism, and are concentrating on developing the real goods and services sector of the economy.

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Re: socialists and the Chinese Communist Party
Reply #44 - Jan 27^th, 2022 at 11:09am

issuevoter wrote on Jan 27^th, 2022 at 6:57am:

Politically, the goal of socialism is to make all citizens wards of the state.

I note the name 'dinosaur' is associated with your posts, which would explain the sheer absurdity of your statement above.

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Thus cementing control.

No, rather cementing the neurons in your befuddled brain.

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This is the purpose of UBI.

Oh god, the cement has already set....

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Socialists in the capitalist West, still cling to the idea of a Marxist utopia and are reluctant to acknowledge that the CCP, for all its "socialism" only exists by police and military force. If I said this in China, I would disappear

1. Eradication of poverty in modern AI and IT assisted economies is not utopia.

2. The CCP has the support of >90% of the Chinese population.

3. No-one in HK has 'disappeared', though some separatist democracy goons have emigrated to other Western countries. They are welcome to the adversarial, gridlocked, achieve-nothing rabbles aka "democracy".

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