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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35296 Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #90 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:38pm MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:34pm: mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:33pm: Oh for crying out loud. It's the problem of confusing religious myth as history. Or, indeed, reality.
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Reply #91 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:40pm

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:33pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:

1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.

There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.

In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.

Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.

Ironically it's Islam's blindness to race that was its catapult to popularity. By tradition. the original call to prayer was first uttered by a black African.

It was this blindness to race that turned Malcom X after his Haj against Elijah Muhammad and his Nation of Islam.

Muhammed Ali had the same experience.

I don't know if you're meaning to be misleading or not but Malcolm X never turned agaisnt Islam when he spurned Elijah Muhammad.

No. His understanding of Islam was radically transformed after his Haj such that he saw Elijah Muhammed as a fraud.

There was much more to it. You cannot simplify it to that single event. For example, Elijah was critical of Malcolm's militancy. It was a long brewing battle.

Ah, the eternal problem of the cancer of Islam!

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Reply #92 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:41pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:40pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:33pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:

1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.

There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.

In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.

Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.

Ironically it's Islam's blindness to race that was its catapult to popularity. By tradition. the original call to prayer was first uttered by a black African.

It was this blindness to race that turned Malcom X after his Haj against Elijah Muhammad and his Nation of Islam.

Muhammed Ali had the same experience.

I don't know if you're meaning to be misleading or not but Malcolm X never turned agaisnt Islam when he spurned Elijah Muhammad.

No. His understanding of Islam was radically transformed after his Haj such that he saw Elijah Muhammed as a fraud.

There was much more to it. You cannot simplify it to that single event. For example, Elijah was critical of Malcolm's militancy. It was a long brewing battle.

Ah, the eternal problem of the cancer of Islam!

No. But i'm sure you'll tell yourself it was.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12078 Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #93 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:43pm Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm: Ever heard of the diaspora? Look it up. It will help explain why. Diasporas do not protect a racial identity from change. All diasporas result in a genetic deviation from their original ancestors. DNA Haplogroup and subclade diversity are the result of diasporic migrations.
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Reply #94 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:45pm

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:40pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:33pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:

1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.

There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.

In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.

Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.

Ironically it's Islam's blindness to race that was its catapult to popularity. By tradition. the original call to prayer was first uttered by a black African.

It was this blindness to race that turned Malcom X after his Haj against Elijah Muhammad and his Nation of Islam.

Muhammed Ali had the same experience.

I don't know if you're meaning to be misleading or not but Malcolm X never turned agaisnt Islam when he spurned Elijah Muhammad.

No. His understanding of Islam was radically transformed after his Haj such that he saw Elijah Muhammed as a fraud.

There was much more to it. You cannot simplify it to that single event. For example, Elijah was critical of Malcolm's militancy. It was a long brewing battle.

Ah, the eternal problem of the cancer of Islam!

No. But i'm sure you'll tell yourself it was.

You've never read it's history, have you. I bet you are a pacifist too. Islam is not something you want to have to live with.

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Reply #95 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:47pm

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:45pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:40pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:33pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:

1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.

There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.

In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.

Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.

Ironically it's Islam's blindness to race that was its catapult to popularity. By tradition. the original call to prayer was first uttered by a black African.

It was this blindness to race that turned Malcom X after his Haj against Elijah Muhammad and his Nation of Islam.

Muhammed Ali had the same experience.

I don't know if you're meaning to be misleading or not but Malcolm X never turned agaisnt Islam when he spurned Elijah Muhammad.

No. His understanding of Islam was radically transformed after his Haj such that he saw Elijah Muhammed as a fraud.

There was much more to it. You cannot simplify it to that single event. For example, Elijah was critical of Malcolm's militancy. It was a long brewing battle.

Ah, the eternal problem of the cancer of Islam!

No. But i'm sure you'll tell yourself it was.

You've never read it's history, have you. I bet you are a pacifist too. Islam is not something you want to have to live with.

I've read tremendous amounts of history ... and i know a significant number of Muslims that i like very much.

They're not even a little bit like you.

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Reply #96 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:47pm

Hmmm I must say. It's been an interesting discussion. For those joining us....here is a quick summary:

1. We have Anti Semitism in our midst. 😐

2. Setanta and I are not Anti Semitic.

3. We also have people in our midst who know SFA about genocide or modern history. Or anthropology for that matter. But they do specialise in confabulation and a peculiar brand of rescripting the inconvenient bits of history which interfere with their Anti Semitic agenda.

4. Monk is about to move to Tasmania and this will interrupt world peace.

5. Mothra is still sitting online hour after hour name calling and abusing others.😐

6. Mothra's tag team mate is of course Greg using yet another id. 😐

The End

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Reply #97 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:49pm

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:45pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:40pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:33pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:

1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.

There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.

In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.

Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.

Ironically it's Islam's blindness to race that was its catapult to popularity. By tradition. the original call to prayer was first uttered by a black African.

It was this blindness to race that turned Malcom X after his Haj against Elijah Muhammad and his Nation of Islam.

Muhammed Ali had the same experience.

I don't know if you're meaning to be misleading or not but Malcolm X never turned agaisnt Islam when he spurned Elijah Muhammad.

No. His understanding of Islam was radically transformed after his Haj such that he saw Elijah Muhammed as a fraud.

There was much more to it. You cannot simplify it to that single event. For example, Elijah was critical of Malcolm's militancy. It was a long brewing battle.

Ah, the eternal problem of the cancer of Islam!

No. But i'm sure you'll tell yourself it was.

You've never read it's history, have you. I bet you are a pacifist too. Islam is not something you want to have to live with.

I've read tremendous amounts of history ... and i know a significant number of Muslims that i like very much.

They're not even a little bit like you.

Cool story, sis...

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Reply #98 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:50pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

Hmmm I must say. It's been an interesting discussion. For those joining us....here is a quick summary:

1. We have Anti Semitism in our midst. 😐

2. Setanta and I are not Anti Semitic.

3. We also have people in our midst who know SFA about genocide or modern history. Or anthropology for that matter. But they do specialise in confabulation and a peculiar brand of rescripting the inconvenient bits of history which interfere with their Anti Semitic agenda.

4. Monk is about to move to Tasmania and this will interrupt world peace.

5. Mothra is still sitting online hour after hour name calling and abusing others.😐

6. Mothra's tag team mate is of course Greg using yet another id. 😐

The End

You seem obsessed with other people not being their 'real' identity. This is the second time you've done that with me (if I'm who you're referring to).

Also, there have been no antisemitic posts made on this thread by anyone.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35296 Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #99 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:53pm Don't worry about it, Meister. Lisa is convinced everyone is a sock of everyone else. Well, the people that question, challenge or disagree with her at least anyway. You get used to it.
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Reply #100 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:08pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:43pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Ever heard of the diaspora?

Look it up. It will help explain why.

1. Diasporas do not protect a racial identity from change.

2. All diasporas result in a genetic deviation from their original ancestors.

That's right. Glad you googled that for yourself.

Now you know why we have those mixed races you mentioned.

One other thing you've NOT yet googled is this .... the process of genetic deviation can take hundreds or even thousands of years depending on the race concerned.

You seem to think all races follow the same pre set pattern of change. They don't. And their cultural traditions and customs ensure that they move at a pace that's nothing like the general googled bits you've been posting up either. Or that confabulation driven rescript of modern history which I can't even find anywhere on Google so I can only assume you blew it out of your @rse.

Oh and I'm not obsessed with the fact that you're using a multi id. I'm just calling you out in it because it's childish. And past boring. Even for you.

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Reply #101 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:10pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:08pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:43pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

Ever heard of the diaspora?

Look it up. It will help explain why.

1. Diasporas do not protect a racial identity from change.

2. All diasporas result in a genetic deviation from their original ancestors.

That's right. Glad you googled that for yourself.

Now you know why we have those mixed races you mentioned.

One other thing you've not googled is this .... the process can take hundreds or even thousands of years depending on the race concerned.

You seem to think all races follow the same pre set pattern of change. They don't. And their cultural traditions and customs ensure that they move at a pace that's nothing like the general googled bits you've posted up either.

Oh and I'm not obsessed with the fact that you're using a multi id. I'm just calling you out in it because it's childish. And past boring. Even for you.

I think I've had enough of this multi id thing.

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Reply #102 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:18pm

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:50pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

Hmmm I must say. It's been an interesting discussion. For those joining us....here is a quick summary:

1. We have Anti Semitism in our midst. 😐

2. Setanta and I are not Anti Semitic.

3. We also have people in our midst who know SFA about genocide or modern history. Or anthropology for that matter. But they do specialise in confabulation and a peculiar brand of rescripting the inconvenient bits of history which interfere with their Anti Semitic agenda.

4. Monk is about to move to Tasmania and this will interrupt world peace.

5. Mothra is still sitting online hour after hour name calling and abusing others.😐

6. Mothra's tag team mate is of course Greg using yet another id. 😐

The End

You seem obsessed with other people not being their 'real' identity. This is the second time you've done that with me (if I'm who you're referring to).

Also, there have been no antisemitic posts made on this thread by anyone.

There are a few people that think everyone is someone else.

In fact there are one or two who firmly believe that Greggory is every member.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58238 Here Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #103 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:20pm Whoopie had a dopey moment and got it wrong but there was nothing malicious about it.
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Reply #104 - Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:18pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:50pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:47pm:

Hmmm I must say. It's been an interesting discussion. For those joining us....here is a quick summary:

1. We have Anti Semitism in our midst. 😐

2. Setanta and I are not Anti Semitic.

3. We also have people in our midst who know SFA about genocide or modern history. Or anthropology for that matter. But they do specialise in confabulation and a peculiar brand of rescripting the inconvenient bits of history which interfere with their Anti Semitic agenda.

4. Monk is about to move to Tasmania and this will interrupt world peace.

5. Mothra is still sitting online hour after hour name calling and abusing others.😐

6. Mothra's tag team mate is of course Greg using yet another id. 😐

The End

You seem obsessed with other people not being their 'real' identity. This is the second time you've done that with me (if I'm who you're referring to).

Also, there have been no antisemitic posts made on this thread by anyone.

There are a few people that think everyone is someone else.

In fact there are one or two who firmly believe that Greggory is every member.

I suppose it's easier to pretend that only one person thinks you're an idiot than a whole swathe.

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