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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95395 Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #165 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 12:56am MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 8:23pm: Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 8:19pm: The Darkies are racist We're all racist by instinct, unfortunately. It takes wisdom to see through it. Only the leftards, Meister. Some of Gordon's best friends are Tree Monkeys. Not racist.
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Reply #166 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 1:05am

"Not about race"

The Holocaust was about the Nazis attributing the loss of World War One to groups of people, including Jewish people, for bringing the war to an end in the favour of the Allies. For the Jewish people, they were put as part of the problem in the Nazis not being able to achieve their goals. That is why they were either forced out of German-controlled lands, or collected as part of work slaves for the war effort.

Unfortunately, there are people these days that want to piggy-back on the suffering of those that went through the Holocaust horrors. "Fire Whoopi Goldberg" some might say. "Oh, I am Jewish and do not need to hear about what my grandparents went through being trivialised".

I hear it less and less these days. But there are those that are in their 70s and 80s who claim to have remembered a horrific event of something that predated their births (or even the first few years of their lives). I certainly feel sympathy for those that survived the horrors of concentration camps. But you should not try and claim victimhood for something you either never experienced or were too young to have a memory of such events.

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Reply #167 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 2:16am

I was just wondering, over the past few days, why on god's earth it is 'necessary' to offer affirmative action to immigrants and their offspring................ considering that to BE an immigrant you must be self-sustaining and have a few lazy large lying about......... I can understand the difference for refugees and their early offspring.......... but it seems to me the entire structure of affirmative action and preferential treatment to get them up to speed here is flawed........... one person's meat being another person's poison......... it seems pretty clear that offering preferential treatment to immigrants and offspring is destroying equal opportunity for Established Australians.... who are forced to sit at the back of the bus like the New Niqqers they are in reality......... that Poor Boy from the Houso District has no chance of a job in the PS, let alone of prospering there, no matter how talented and hard-working he is....

The tinteds have their place... they are mostly supposed to be able to make it under their own steam, or they do not gain entry as immigrants.... so YTF do they, like the whining sheilas, continue to get preferential treatment in government employment, education opportunities and so forth???

Maybe they all should try it on a genuine level playing field for the first time in forty years or more..... make their own way like that boy from houso who probably didn't even get fed properly...

Something is fatally flawed in our immigration policy and all that follows.....

Anyone???

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Reply #168 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 2:21am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 8:05pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 8:01pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 7:57pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 7:50pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 7:45pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 7:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 6:51pm:

I think the Americans do need to have a debate about the diversity of race.

As I alluded to above, the issue of race is vastly nuanced.

It is extremely rare to find anyone of European, Asian (all Asian, from the so-called Middle East to south east Asia) and African descent to define themselves exclusively by colour.

Defining your race by colour alone is almost exclusively an African-American experience.

Actually you about 180degs off.

Most black Americans, particularly middle class and up are sick to death of talking about race and just want to get on with life.

You need to stop listening to whackadoodle CRT proponents and listen to people like John McWhorter.

It doesn't matter who's sick of it, the simplistic definition of race has had a world effect and needs to be discussed.

Those of us outside the US need to unshackle ourselves from the definition-reductionism of the term and re-nuance the term, or abandon it.

The left is obsessed with race. Move on.

Exactly. Those who don't understand the misunderstanding of race only in terms of black and white, need to move on.

Consume some John McWhorter, books, speeches, whatever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKPbrZMqxCg

As a white Australian (i'm assuming you are), do you define yourself as white? Or as Irish/British/insert race/ethnicity here or as just: white?

I - like most Established Australians - don't identify myself as anything..... just myself..... and part of the deal is that I and all other Established Australians get the same 'fair go' as everyone else does these days.... preferential treatment for all EQUALLY ... always was and always will be the fatal flaw in affirmative action.... there is zero equality in affirmative action....... just prejudice, bias and preference...

Now - which of you lot is going to argue that affirmative action doesn't exist here ................ bring it on..........

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Reply #169 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 2:23am

UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 1:05am:

"Not about race"

The Holocaust was about the Nazis attributing the loss of World War One to groups of people, including Jewish people, for bringing the war to an end in the favour of the Allies. For the Jewish people, they were put as part of the problem in the Nazis not being able to achieve their goals. That is why they were either forced out of German-controlled lands, or collected as part of work slaves for the war effort.

Unfortunately, there are people these days that want to piggy-back on the suffering of those that went through the Holocaust horrors. "Fire Whoopi Goldberg" some might say. "Oh, I am Jewish and do not need to hear about what my grandparents went through being trivialised".

I hear it less and less these days. But there are those that are in their 70s and 80s who claim to have remembered a horrific event of something that predated their births (or even the first few years of their lives). I certainly feel sympathy for those that survived the horrors of concentration camps. But you should not try and claim victimhood for something you either never experienced or were too young to have a memory of such events.

I, for one, have German Jewish ancestry

(though I don't identify with it or anything else for that matter)

- there are NO survivors of that name in Hamburg.... I've checked.

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Reply #170 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 6:58am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 2:21am:

I - like most Established Australians - don't identify myself as anything..... just myself..... and part of the deal is that I and all other Established Australians get the same 'fair go' as everyone else does these days.... preferential treatment for all EQUALLY ... always was and always will be the fatal flaw in affirmative action.... there is zero equality in affirmative action....... just prejudice, bias and preference...

Not surprising that you'd imagine that you've arrived at a sense of equity by yourself, you're not part of, or don't identify as, a minority.

Even the so-called US founding fathers agonised over the 'hole in the heart of democracy' - the tyranny of the majority.

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Reply #171 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 7:01am

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 12:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 8:19pm:

The Darkies are racist -
they beat up White people for fun:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/097/323/606/original/c27b08...

Darkies? Come come. Nobody noticed what race they were, dear.

Gordon never notices who's in all the articles he posts each day until others point it out.

Excuse me, Gordon, they say, that one's a Jigaboo.

Oh? He says. I hadn't noticed.

There, they say. That one's a dirty Curry.

Really? That's strange. Are you sure?

And, that one, look - a devious Muselman. Did you know that?

No no, Gordon says, he's just a kiddy-fiddler, or a retard-basher, or a dissolver. What's race got to do with it?

Then Valkie and Grappler and JaSin come in and complain about the tinted races. Gordon gets all confused and goes off to find more stories.

Tinted, eh? Well I never.

Darkies? Come come. Nobody noticed what race they were, dear.

I noticed.

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Reply #172 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 7:09am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 2:23am:

I, for one, have German Jewish ancestry (though I don't identify with it or anything else for that matter)- there are NO survivors of that name in Hamburg.... I've checked.

While you may choose not to identify with a part of your ancestry, you know you're part of an ethnicity / race other than just being white.

This is something that African-Americans can never know.

Alex Haley ('Roots') made claims that his family had transcended the transatlantic-annihilation of cultural / ethnic identity, but it was later discovered that he had used, let's say, poetic licence in his biography of his African-descent family.

In fact no African-American can prove or lay claim to any African identity other than skin colour indicating they are descended from some people somewhere in Africa.

This fact has skewed the world's race debate and racial identity, along simplistic lines due to its being borne by all-pervasive American culture / soft power.

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Reply #174 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 9:08am

"It's either Rogan or us," said Whoopi Goldberg. "You decide. If you want our incredibly well-informed opinions, intelligent banter, and not-at-all grating commentary on the news and current events each and every morning, then you've got to dump Rogan."

The hosts say this move is designed to push people away from Rogan and show them celebrities are serious about not listening to podcasts that promote dangerous free speech and the exchange of uncensored ideas.

"What do people like more than discussing ideas? Celebrities' opinions, that's what," said Joy Behar. "If you listen to Rogan, you ain't gettin' none of these ladies' thoughts every morning. That's for darn sure!" She then snapped her fingers in a "z" formation.

Millions immediately responded to the threat by downloading Rogan's podcast, getting radicalized, and reading all of Jordan Peterson's books, all thanks to The View.

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Reply #175 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 10:03am

Bobby. wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 7:01am:

Karnal wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 12:53am:

Bobby. wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 8:19pm:

The Darkies are racist -
they beat up White people for fun:

https://media.gab.com/system/media_attachments/files/097/323/606/original/c27b08...

Darkies? Come come. Nobody noticed what race they were, dear.

Gordon never notices who's in all the articles he posts each day until others point it out.

Excuse me, Gordon, they say, that one's a Jigaboo.

Oh? He says. I hadn't noticed.

There, they say. That one's a dirty Curry.

Really? That's strange. Are you sure?

And, that one, look - a devious Muselman. Did you know that?

No no, Gordon says, he's just a kiddy-fiddler, or a retard-basher, or a dissolver. What's race got to do with it?

Then Valkie and Grappler and JaSin come in and complain about the tinted races. Gordon gets all confused and goes off to find more stories.

Tinted, eh? Well I never.

Darkies? Come come. Nobody noticed what race they were, dear.

I noticed.

Here you go, Gordon, Bobby just noticed that they're Darkies.

Uncanny.

Good observation there, Bobby. What do you think we should do with these people?

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95395 Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #176 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 10:07am Johnnie wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 7:44am: The mainstream media has become so big its starting to eat itself. Did you catch this one, Gordon? Matty's just noticed the striking resemblance of Whoopie Goldberg to a gorilla. It may just be the lighting. Still, it's worth pointing out, no? We may be onto something here.
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Reply #177 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 10:12am

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:37pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:33pm:

mothra wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:32pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:28pm:

Setanta wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:

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MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:

1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.

There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.

In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.

Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.

Ironically it's Islam's blindness to race that was its catapult to popularity. By tradition. the original call to prayer was first uttered by a black African.

It was this blindness to race that turned Malcom X after his Haj against Elijah Muhammad and his Nation of Islam.

Muhammed Ali had the same experience.

I don't know if you're meaning to be misleading or not but Malcolm X never turned agaisnt Islam when he spurned Elijah Muhammad.

No. His understanding of Islam was radically transformed after his Haj such that he saw Elijah Muhammed as a fraud.

There was much more to it. You cannot simplify it to that single event. For example, Elijah was critical of Malcolm's militancy. It was a long brewing battle.

No doubt true. I was taking it from a comment one of his daughters made in an interview where she was discussing Malcolm X's improved relationship with Martin Luther King after his Haj.

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Reply #178 - Feb 3^rd, 2022 at 10:21am

Dnarever wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 7:58pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 7:39pm:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 6:51pm:

I think the Americans do need to have a debate about the diversity of race.

As I alluded to above, the issue of race is vastly nuanced.

It is extremely rare to find anyone of European, Asian (all Asian, from the so-called Middle East to south east Asia) and African descent to define themselves exclusively by colour.

Defining your race by colour alone is almost exclusively an African-American experience.

Actually you about 180degs off.

Most black Americans, particularly middle class and up are sick to death of talking about race and just want to get on with life.

You need to stop listening to whackadoodle CRT proponents and listen to people like John McWhorter.

I think he is close to the mark. I see it obvious that a lot of black Americans have a skewed view on race as an international topic. This comes from 250 years of persecution and disadvantage. They cannot help but to look at race through their own filter.

Yes. And having no other race/ethno-specific identity from their African lineage, they are left with only one: colour.

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