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Reply #240 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:14am

issuevoter wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:08am:

Hollywood is run by Jews.

And the banks are run by the Jews?

And the world economy is run by the Jews?

And the US Congress is run by the Jews?

And Freemasonry is run by the Jews?

And Germany's defeat in WW1 was instigated by the Jews?

And the blood libel was committed by the Jews?

About the only thing that has not been accused of being run by the Jews is the Papacy!

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Reply #241 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:14am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:04am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:59am:

Of course. I remember being very young and seeing my first punks. My jaw dropped and i stared. One of them cursed me .... but i was totally impressed by them. Outlier and all.

You seem preoccupied with attaching bigotry to a a recognition of difference. What i am arguing is that negative connotations associated with difference are taught.

And the inclination to cast in negative light those who are different is acquired.

Outgroup identification is instinctive and its subconscious recognition triggers a response from the amygdala which is seat of the fight/flight response from anger/fear.

All of that happens (in neurological terms) ages before the subject is consciously aware of the triggered anger/fear.

Like i said, outdated text books.

Try Sapolsky.

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Reply #243 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:20am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:09am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:54am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:51am:

What I'm talking about is the current obsession of the left with race and CRT and attributing and blaming every negative outcome to race, or what ever other minority group people can latch onto.

Yes, where race is simplistically filtered through the American experience of black vs white.

What would, say, the Irish make of CRT with regard to their experience with the English?

The Irish were maligned by the English as much as African-American slaves.

I've read your repeated declaration that racism pertaining to skin colour is a uniquely American thing.

Alas, again we disagree. It's pretty much everywhere. Not least in this fair land of Oz.

Not uniquely American by any means but has been arrogated to the American experience by the African-American experience.

Ethno-chauvinism is not restricted to skin colour.

Ethno-chauvinism now? How interesting it that?

But brown and black people have been discriminated against all through majority white countries all over the world. It is not uniquely American nor has it been co-opted by African Americans. You'll find the same sentiments anywhere in Europe, although most of them have outgrown it.

Australia hasn't. We're shockers.

And all learnt. Not innate.

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Reply #244 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:22am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:14am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:11am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:04am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:59am:

Of course. I remember being very young and seeing my first punks. My jaw dropped and i stared. One of them cursed me .... but i was totally impressed by them. Outlier and all.

You seem preoccupied with attaching bigotry to a a recognition of difference. What i am arguing is that negative connotations associated with difference are taught.

And the inclination to cast in negative light those who are different is acquired.

Outgroup identification is instinctive and its subconscious recognition triggers a response from the amygdala which is seat of the fight/flight response from anger/fear.

All of that happens (in neurological terms) ages before the subject is consciously aware of the triggered anger/fear.

Like i said, outdated text books.

Try Sapolsky.

Why? You've given me nothing to recommend him. I know what i have studied though. And it adheres to my personal experience.

I think you, i and Sapolsky.are at odds.

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Reply #245 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:24am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:20am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:09am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:54am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:51am:

What I'm talking about is the current obsession of the left with race and CRT and attributing and blaming every negative outcome to race, or what ever other minority group people can latch onto.

Yes, where race is simplistically filtered through the American experience of black vs white.

What would, say, the Irish make of CRT with regard to their experience with the English?

The Irish were maligned by the English as much as African-American slaves.

I've read your repeated declaration that racism pertaining to skin colour is a uniquely American thing.

Alas, again we disagree. It's pretty much everywhere. Not least in this fair land of Oz.

Not uniquely American by any means but has been arrogated to the American experience by the African-American experience.

Ethno-chauvinism is not restricted to skin colour.

Ethno-chauvinism now? How interesting it that?

But brown and black people have been discriminated against all through majority white countries all over the world. It is not uniquely American nor has it been co-opted by African Americans. You'll find the same sentiments anywhere in Europe, although most of them have outgrown it.

Australia hasn't. We're shockers.

And all learnt. Not innate.

Indians discriminate sometimes by colour, sometimes by religion, sometimes by caste.

'White' people discriminate against other 'white' people, particularly in Europe as two world wars attest (which is where 'race' as co-opted by the African-American experience to refer only to black vs white becomes redundant).

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12084 Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #246 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:25am mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:22am: I think you, i and Sapolsky.are at odds. As you won't read (or listen to) Sapolsky, you cannot know that.
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Reply #247 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:30am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:25am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:22am:

I think you, i and Sapolsky.are at odds.

As you won't read (or listen to) Sapolsky, you cannot know that.

You want me to go randomly searching? How about you cite your reference?

As it stands, all i've seen is you agree with me that bigotry is nurture over nature.

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Reply #248 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:32am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:24am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:20am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:09am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:02am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:54am:

Gordon wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 8:51am:

What I'm talking about is the current obsession of the left with race and CRT and attributing and blaming every negative outcome to race, or what ever other minority group people can latch onto.

Yes, where race is simplistically filtered through the American experience of black vs white.

What would, say, the Irish make of CRT with regard to their experience with the English?

The Irish were maligned by the English as much as African-American slaves.

I've read your repeated declaration that racism pertaining to skin colour is a uniquely American thing.

Alas, again we disagree. It's pretty much everywhere. Not least in this fair land of Oz.

Not uniquely American by any means but has been arrogated to the American experience by the African-American experience.

Ethno-chauvinism is not restricted to skin colour.

Ethno-chauvinism now? How interesting it that?

But brown and black people have been discriminated against all through majority white countries all over the world. It is not uniquely American nor has it been co-opted by African Americans. You'll find the same sentiments anywhere in Europe, although most of them have outgrown it.

Australia hasn't. We're shockers.

And all learnt. Not innate.

Indians discriminate sometimes by colour, sometimes by religion, sometimes by caste.

'White' people discriminate against other 'white' people, particularly in Europe as two world wars attest (which is where 'race' as co-opted by the African-American experience to refer only to black vs white becomes redundant).

Bollocks. That's because most of the Inter-Euro battles between white apeople re settled.

They've moved on to the immigrants now.

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Reply #249 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:34am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:25am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:22am:

I think you, i and Sapolsky.are at odds.

As you won't read (or listen to) Sapolsky, you cannot know that.

You want me to go randomly searching? How about you cite your reference?

As it stands, all i've seen is you agree with me that bigotry is nurture over nature.

Outgroup discrimination can only be shaped because it's innate.

The same reason it's possible to teach children to speak.

On Sapolsky try:

'Behave: The Biology of Humans at Our Best and Worst '
https://www.amazon.com.au/Behave-Biology-Humans-Best-Worst/dp/009957506X/ref=asc...

Or watch:

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Reply #251 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:37am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:34am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:30am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:25am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:22am:

I think you, i and Sapolsky.are at odds.

As you won't read (or listen to) Sapolsky, you cannot know that.

You want me to go randomly searching? How about you cite your reference?

As it stands, all i've seen is you agree with me that bigotry is nurture over nature.

Outgroup discrimination can only be shaped because it's innate.

The same reason it's possible to teach children to speak.

What the?

Seriously, that is both some batshit crazy reasoning and rationale.

I'll check this guy out though. I'll get back to you.

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Reply #252 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:45am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:36am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:32am:

Bollocks. That's because most of the Inter-Euro battles between white apeople re settled.

They've moved on to the immigrants now.

The Bosnian genocide? What was that all about, do you think?

Or the IRA?

Yeah yeah, isn't this the racism you say doesn't exist in Europe?

You can't have it both ways.

But the bottom line is, children being born right now in Bosnia and Belfast both know nothing of any of that. And they will never know unless someone tells them.

ANd even if someone tells them, they won't be able to spot one of the "outliers' from the street. They won't know unless they, naturally and according to human nature, find out from talking to them .. or through a social network.

But brown skinned and black people are identifiable in the street. Even in Europe. I mean, not just in America but everywhere.

Right?

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Reply #253 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:46am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:36am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:32am:

Bollocks. That's because most of the Inter-Euro battles between white apeople re settled.

They've moved on to the immigrants now.

The Bosnian genocide? What was that all about, do you think?

Or the IRA?

Yeah yeah, isn't this the racsim you say doesn't exist in Europe?

What race are the southern Irish as opposed to the Northern Irish?

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Reply #254 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:52am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:45am:

But the bottom line is, children being born right now in Bosnia and Belfast both know nothing of any of that. And they will never know unless someone tells them.

And they don't know how to control their bowels or speak, but there is an innate instinct towards learning to speak and towards fear, anger and disgust (both pathogenic disgust and moral disgust - they both use the same neurological system).

Outgroup discrimination is inevitable and unavoidable.

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