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Reply #255 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:56am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:46am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:45am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:36am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:32am:

Bollocks. That's because most of the Inter-Euro battles between white apeople re settled.

They've moved on to the immigrants now.

The Bosnian genocide? What was that all about, do you think?

Or the IRA?

Yeah yeah, isn't this the racsim you say doesn't exist in Europe?

What race are the southern Irish as opposed to the Northern Irish?

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They're all the human race, dufus. That's precisely what has been pimped to multitudes of knuckleheads for decades now.

But that's hardly the point, now is it.

The point is, as you have gone to great lengths to point out, people "other".

Some kinds of "othering" are encouraged by aspects of society, others are not. And you are free to pick your own aspect.

All i've been saying is that bigotry and prejudice are taught and learned. You keep agreeing with that, but arguing with me anyway.

It's most confusing.

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Reply #256 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:58am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:52am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:45am:

But the bottom line is, children being born right now in Bosnia and Belfast both know nothing of any of that. And they will never know unless someone tells them.

And they don't know how to control their bowels or speak, but there is an innate instinct towards learning to speak and towards fear, anger and disgust (both pathogenic disgust and moral disgust - they both use the same neurological system).

Outgroup discrimination is inevitable and unavoidable.

My arse it is. It is the consequence of learning.

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Reply #257 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:01am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:56am:

All i've been saying is that bigotry and prejudice are taught and learned. You keep agreeing with that, but arguing with me anyway.

Outgroup discrimination can be triggered by something as simple as smell or action or visuals.

If people of a particular ethnicity smell 'bad' or act in an odd way or look 'hideous', it can trigger fear or disgust and, by that, categorisation as an outgroup. It doesn't have to be taught.

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Reply #259 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:26am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:01am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:56am:

All i've been saying is that bigotry and prejudice are taught and learned. You keep agreeing with that, but arguing with me anyway.

Outgroup discrimination can be triggered by something as simple as smell or action or visuals.

If people of a particular ethnicity smell 'bad' or act in an odd way or look 'hideous', it can trigger fear or disgust and, by that, categorisation as an outgroup. It doesn't have to be taught.

Those triggers are only stimulated by past experiences. As in, a child can learn to be distrustful of French people because a French movie was playing though a traumatic experience in that child's like. Transference.

Prejudice is not innate.

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Reply #260 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:28am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

I can't remember her name, but a woman who worked as a missionary in Papua New Guinea recalls how children would run from her in absolute terror. She had a classical Celtic look: whiter than white and flaming red hair.

That is exposure to the unknown, not exposure to those within your society.

There is no equivalence.

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Reply #261 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:32am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:01am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:56am:

All i've been saying is that bigotry and prejudice are taught and learned. You keep agreeing with that, but arguing with me anyway.

Outgroup discrimination can be triggered by something as simple as smell or action or visuals.

If people of a particular ethnicity smell 'bad' or act in an odd way or look 'hideous', it can trigger fear or disgust and, by that, categorisation as an outgroup. It doesn't have to be taught.

Those triggers are only stimulated by past experiences. As in, a child can learn to be distrustful of French people because a French movie was playing though a traumatic experience in that child's like. Transference.

Prejudice is not innate.

And the primary experience that first triggers the fear/disgust response?

If you've had kids, you'll know that very young children can instinctively recoil from certain people for no obvious reason or prior indoctrination.

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Reply #262 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:35am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

I can't remember her name, but a woman who worked as a missionary in Papua New Guinea recalls how children would run from her in absolute terror. She had a classical Celtic look: whiter than white and flaming red hair.

That is exposure to the unknown, not exposure to those within your society.

There is no equivalence.

Fear and disgust are most easily evoked by the unknown and, by that, immediate categorisation as an outgroup person.

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Reply #263 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:38am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:01am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:56am:

All i've been saying is that bigotry and prejudice are taught and learned. You keep agreeing with that, but arguing with me anyway.

Outgroup discrimination can be triggered by something as simple as smell or action or visuals.

If people of a particular ethnicity smell 'bad' or act in an odd way or look 'hideous', it can trigger fear or disgust and, by that, categorisation as an outgroup. It doesn't have to be taught.

Those triggers are only stimulated by past experiences. As in, a child can learn to be distrustful of French people because a French movie was playing though a traumatic experience in that child's like. Transference.

Prejudice is not innate.

And the primary experience that first triggers the fear/disgust response?

If you've had kids, you'll know that very young children can instinctively recoil from certain people for no obvious reason or prior indoctrination.

Ive had three kids.
And i have seen this in action.

One man, a neighbour ( now gone)
When he came around, the kids dissapeared.
However with other visitors they all came out to talk and show off.

We found out later he was a sex offender.
Kids seem to know.
They are more perceptive than us.

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Reply #264 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:46am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:32am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:26am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:01am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 9:56am:

All i've been saying is that bigotry and prejudice are taught and learned. You keep agreeing with that, but arguing with me anyway.

Outgroup discrimination can be triggered by something as simple as smell or action or visuals.

If people of a particular ethnicity smell 'bad' or act in an odd way or look 'hideous', it can trigger fear or disgust and, by that, categorisation as an outgroup. It doesn't have to be taught.

Those triggers are only stimulated by past experiences. As in, a child can learn to be distrustful of French people because a French movie was playing though a traumatic experience in that child's like. Transference.

Prejudice is not innate.

And the primary experience that first triggers the fear/disgust response?

If you've had kids, you'll know that very young children can instinctively recoil from certain people for no obvious reason or prior indoctrination.

Children only recoil from people with bad energy. It has nothing to do with race

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Reply #265 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:47am

Valkie wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:38am:

Ive had three kids.
And i have seen this in action.

One man, a neighbour ( now gone)
When he came around, the kids dissapeared.
However with other visitors they all came out to talk and show off.

We found out later he was a sex offender.
Kids seem to know.
They are more perceptive than us.

Yes. It's likely that primal instincts towards danger and outgroup identification in children are at their maximum in childhood, given their incapacity to defend themselves from danger.

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Reply #266 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:47am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:35am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

I can't remember her name, but a woman who worked as a missionary in Papua New Guinea recalls how children would run from her in absolute terror. She had a classical Celtic look: whiter than white and flaming red hair.

That is exposure to the unknown, not exposure to those within your society.

There is no equivalence.

Fear and disgust are most easily evoked by the unknown and, by that, immediate categorisation as an outgroup person.

What a load or horseshit. Fear and disgust are far more likely to be triggered by the very well known.

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Reply #267 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:49am

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:47am:

Valkie wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:38am:

Ive had three kids.
And i have seen this in action.

One man, a neighbour ( now gone)
When he came around, the kids dissapeared.
However with other visitors they all came out to talk and show off.

We found out later he was a sex offender.
Kids seem to know.
They are more perceptive than us.

Yes. It's likely that primal instincts towards danger and outgroup identification in children are at their maximum in childhood, given their incapacity to defend themselves from danger.

Jesus.

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MeisterEckhart Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12161 Gender:	Re: Whoopie Reply #268 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:49am mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:46am: Children only recoil from people with bad energy. It has nothing to do with race Bad energy eh? Getting all mystical, now! No pheromones involved, active micro-signals (mainly via the eyes) &etc? Just a mystical vibe?
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Reply #269 - Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:50am

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:47am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:35am:

mothra wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:28am:

MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 4^th, 2022 at 10:07am:

I can't remember her name, but a woman who worked as a missionary in Papua New Guinea recalls how children would run from her in absolute terror. She had a classical Celtic look: whiter than white and flaming red hair.

That is exposure to the unknown, not exposure to those within your society.

There is no equivalence.

Fear and disgust are most easily evoked by the unknown and, by that, immediate categorisation as an outgroup person.

What a load or horseshit. Fear and disgust are far more likely to be triggered by the very well known.

Have you ever had kids?

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