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Re: Whoopie
Reply #60 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:02pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.


There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


And the word antisemitism? I don't think the Nazi's came up with that one. We know Semites are/were a people. Arabs are Semites too.
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Reply #61 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:02pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.


There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.
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Reply #62 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:03pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:58pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:57pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Just an observation.
There are no black Jews?
Interesting eh?

Haven't heard of Ethiopian Jews?

You haven't heard of the Mossad's 'Operation Moses', 'Operation Joshua' and 'Operation Solomon' the extraction of Ethiopian jews to be resettled Israel to protect them from a military coup.

The Ethiopian Jews claim their religious ancestry from King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.


The ones the other Jews don't want in their country? Racists!

Giving evidence that even Israeli Jews do not see themselves as a single race because of their religious and/or cultural adherence to Judaism.



I agree with you but will continue with the definitions the world allows rather than our own.

Edit: They should all be transported to Tasmania for the benefit of world peace according to Aussie and if they do not comply, on their heads be it.
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Reply #63 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:12pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:42pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:40pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:34pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:28pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:26pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:17pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 9:27am:
DO NOT FIRE HER

Leave her there so we know what the bobbleheads actually think.

Insiders claim Whoopi Goldberg should be fired after Holocaust comments and her apology is not enough


https://celebrity.nine.com.au/latest/whoopi-goldberg-holocaust-claims-abc-inside...


BLM, Jews not so much...



Nobody came even close to such a suggestion.

Why lie?


I suggested it. I didn't lie. Quote "and said that Nazis and Jews were both white". There's your racism. Did I put words into Whoopi's mouth, yep, because that's what she said. Jews are white, they don't matter. Can you quote her on anything BLM for me? I'm sure I can do it myself but I'd like to see you spin it.


Of all the knuckleheaded rubbish.

Seriously, what the hell happened to you? You were never this stupid.


Don't blame me for her words Kaiju, that's what she said...


Whoopie never said Jewish people don't matter because they're white.

You lied.

God knows why.


Well that's one interpretation and one I'm sure you'll stick to, doesn't make you correct. Her equating Jews and whites, a rather specious thing to say, is the clue you don't want to acknowledge.



She said, and profusely apologised for when corrected, that the war against the Jewish people was not racism because it was white on white.

She was, mistakenly but understandably from her perspective, defining racism as a black and white thing.

She was corrected,. She has apologised. Profusely.

And you're just being grubby.

Yes. I think she can be forgiven, not least because the perception of race being an issue of black vs white is universal among African-Americans.


I disagree with BOTH your comments. So does the article. And her industry colleagues.

"The View co-host Joy Behar said backstage that Goldberg was "dead wrong" and "may not ever recover from this," and could not believe Goldberg "wouldn't stand corrected until she was forced."

The insider said that Goldberg's agents are "panicking" about how she "may have ruined herself for good."



Her apology was forced. Forced!

Have you even read the entire article? She then rescripted the Holocaust as being about men being nasty to men. Hello? Women? Children?

She just needs to STFU and stop being so horrible. And wrong!

I don't understand why you're trying to minimise her actions. And yet that what you've done in this topic. To the point where the article itself is disagreeing with her.

And as regards the notion of being Jewish I can tell you now that those definitions you've used are purely religious driven. It's not correct. Jewish people would be offended at your definition. They have always remained separate. From the get go. That is why they have maintained strict divisions btwn themselves and others. To an ethnic Jew these 2 divisions still stand : Jews vs Gentiles.

You're just choosing to smudge this very real and highly respected cultural tradition that stems from
their Jewish religion. Smudge all you like. It doesn't make it fact. It's just your baseless opinion.

Israel has had an awful history and the people from there ie the Jews were forced into exile whilst being exterminated. They were in effect alienated from their homeland for many years leaving it vulnerable for Arabs to move in and take over while they were busy being exterminated elsewhere.

Next you'll be saying Jews should never have been given their own state back. You better not start on that because I swear I'm going to tear into you. I happen to believe people have a right to retain their ethnicity in ANY country they live in. And they also have the right to return to the country representing their ethnic heritage. You can't surely be  advocating against Israel existing. You better not be. Are you? i
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Re: Whoopie
Reply #64 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:12pm
 
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.


There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.
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Reply #65 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:16pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:42pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:40pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:34pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:28pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:26pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:23pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:17pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:11pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:08pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 9:27am:
DO NOT FIRE HER

Leave her there so we know what the bobbleheads actually think.

Insiders claim Whoopi Goldberg should be fired after Holocaust comments and her apology is not enough


https://celebrity.nine.com.au/latest/whoopi-goldberg-holocaust-claims-abc-inside...


BLM, Jews not so much...



Nobody came even close to such a suggestion.

Why lie?


I suggested it. I didn't lie. Quote "and said that Nazis and Jews were both white". There's your racism. Did I put words into Whoopi's mouth, yep, because that's what she said. Jews are white, they don't matter. Can you quote her on anything BLM for me? I'm sure I can do it myself but I'd like to see you spin it.


Of all the knuckleheaded rubbish.

Seriously, what the hell happened to you? You were never this stupid.


Don't blame me for her words Kaiju, that's what she said...


Whoopie never said Jewish people don't matter because they're white.

You lied.

God knows why.


Well that's one interpretation and one I'm sure you'll stick to, doesn't make you correct. Her equating Jews and whites, a rather specious thing to say, is the clue you don't want to acknowledge.



She said, and profusely apologised for when corrected, that the war against the Jewish people was not racism because it was white on white.

She was, mistakenly but understandably from her perspective, defining racism as a black and white thing.

She was corrected,. She has apologised. Profusely.

And you're just being grubby.

Yes. I think she can be forgiven, not least because the perception of race being an issue of black vs white is universal among African-Americans.


I disagree with BOTH your comments. So does the article. And her industry colleagues.

"The View co-host Joy Behar said backstage that Goldberg was "dead wrong" and "may not ever recover from this," and could not believe Goldberg "wouldn't stand corrected until she was forced."

The insider said that Goldberg's agents are "panicking" about how she "may have ruined herself for good."



Her apology was forced. Forced!

Have you even read the entire article? She then rescripted the Holocaust as being about men being nasty to men. Hello? Women? Children?

She just needs to STFU and stop being so horrible. And wrong!

I don't understand why you're trying to minimise her actions. And yet that what you've done in this topic. To the point where the article itself is disagreeing with her.

And as regards the notion of being Jewish I can tell you now that those definitions you've used are purely religious driven. It's not correct. Jewish people would be offended at your definition. They have always remained separate. From the get go. That is why they have maintained strict divisions btwn themselves and others. To an ethnic Jew these 2 divisions still stand : Jews vs Gentiles.

You're just choosing to smudge this very real and highly respected cultural tradition that stems from
their Jewish religion. Smudge all you like. It doesn't make it fact. It's just your baseless opinion.

Israel has had an awful history and the people from there ie the Jews were forced into exile whilst being exterminated. They were in effect alienated from their homeland for many years leaving it vulnerable for Arabs to move in and take over while they were busy being exterminated elsewhere.

Next you'll be saying Jews should never have been given their own state back. You better not start on that because I swear I'm going to tear into you. I happen to believe people have a right to retain their ethnicity in ANY country they live in. And they also have the right to return to the country representing their ethnic heritage. You can't surely be  advocating against Israel existing. You better not be. Are you? i



Anyone who hinges their opinion on the kind of garbage Gordy posted in OP ... "insiders reveal" etc ... deserves to believe what they've been spoon-fed.

No doubt, youll have it confirmed when this weeks edition of No Idea comes out.

Meanwhile, best let the grown-ups talk, yes?
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Reply #66 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:21pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.



1. There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

2. It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


1. Who told you that grubby lie? What you have just done is this : you've proven that you're Anti Semitic.

2. That's not true at all. Ever heard of the Holocaust Studies Dept of Sydney Uni? I was one of its students.

We covered in meticulous detail what happened and why. And what you've just stated has shown me that you've just made that cr@p up.  I mean it's serious and high level cr@p.

Look perhaps it's time you gave that id a rest. Come out with your other one. Start again. Yeah?
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Reply #67 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:23pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:
To an ethnic Jew these 2 divisions still stand : Jews vs Gentiles.

Ever heard the old Jewish saying, 'divide when we can, unite when we must'?

There are multiple traditions within Judaism because Judaism itself is not monlothic nor confined to any race.

Within Judaism there is ultra-orthodox, orthodox, progressive, reform.

There are also Karaite, Reconstructionist, Renewal, Haymanot and Humanistic Judaisms.

And they all have problems with each other's version of Judaism.

Judaism has never been monolithic. Not in its history. Not even 2000 years ago.
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Reply #68 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:24pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.


There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.


Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.
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Reply #69 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:24pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:21pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.



1. There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

2. It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


1. Who told you that grubby lie? What you have just done is this : you've proven that you're Anti Semitic.

2. That's not true at all. Ever heard of the Holocaust Studies Dept of Sydney Uni? I was one of its students.

We covered in meticulous detail what happened and why. And what you've just stated has shown me that you've just made that cr@p up.  I mean it's serious and high level cr@p.

Look perhaps it's time you gave that id a rest. Come out with your other one. Start again. Yeah?

What race are Jews?
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Reply #70 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:26pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:03pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:01pm:
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:58pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:57pm:
Valkie wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:45pm:
Just an observation.
There are no black Jews?
Interesting eh?

Haven't heard of Ethiopian Jews?

You haven't heard of the Mossad's 'Operation Moses', 'Operation Joshua' and 'Operation Solomon' the extraction of Ethiopian jews to be resettled Israel to protect them from a military coup.

The Ethiopian Jews claim their religious ancestry from King Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.


The ones the other Jews don't want in their country? Racists!

Giving evidence that even Israeli Jews do not see themselves as a single race because of their religious and/or cultural adherence to Judaism.



I agree with you but will continue with the definitions the world allows rather than our own.

Edit: They should all be transported to Tasmania for the benefit of world peace according to Aussie and if they do not comply, on their heads be it.



Hang on! Isn't that where Monk is moving to? Tasmania? You may as well forget world peace now 😂

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Reply #71 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:27pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:21pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.



1. There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

2. It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


1. Who told you that grubby lie? What you have just done is this : you've proven that you're Anti Semitic.

2. That's not true at all. Ever heard of the Holocaust Studies Dept of Sydney Uni? I was one of its students.

We covered in meticulous detail what happened and why. And what you've just stated has shown me that you've just made that cr@p up.  I mean it's serious and high level cr@p.

Look perhaps it's time you gave that id a rest. Come out with your other one. Start again. Yeah?

What race are Jews?


DNA testing says that they all have Levant DNA. I don't know if that goes the same for Ethiopians.
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Reply #72 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:28pm
 
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:21pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.



1. There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

2. It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


1. Who told you that grubby lie? What you have just done is this : you've proven that you're Anti Semitic.

2. That's not true at all. Ever heard of the Holocaust Studies Dept of Sydney Uni? I was one of its students.

We covered in meticulous detail what happened and why. And what you've just stated has shown me that you've just made that cr@p up.  I mean it's serious and high level cr@p.

Look perhaps it's time you gave that id a rest. Come out with your other one. Start again. Yeah?

What race are Jews?


Jewish.
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Reply #73 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:28pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.


There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.


Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.

Ironically it's Islam's blindness to race that was its catapult to popularity. By tradition. the original call to prayer was first uttered by a black African.

It was this blindness to race that turned Malcom X after his Haj against Elijah Muhammad and his Nation of Islam.

Muhammed Ali had the same experience.
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Reply #74 - Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:28pm
 
Setanta wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:24pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:12pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 2:02pm:
MeisterEckhart wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:59pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 2nd, 2022 at 1:47pm:
1. I disagree with how you choose to define Jewish ethnicity.


There is no such thing as Jewish ethnicity. It is a religious and cultural definition.

It has been crudely subsumed into the definition of race due to the Nazis, not by their own choice.


In very much the same way as Islam has in the current clime.

Yes.


Which is why I never say Arab when speaking about Islam. Islam is an ideology and as such there can never be racism involved. It's an abhorrent ideology, the people sucked forcefully into it are victims of violent coercion and may never leave it without death hanging over their heads. No matter where it lives, it's a cancer.




That's the only reason? Not that you're leaving out a tremendous percentage of Muslims by politley refusing to call them Arab? Like all the African and Asian ones? ANd the American, English, Australian, Danish, Swedish, French ....you get the drift.

Thought you were being generous did you?

Really, you were just being a bigot.
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