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Reply #15 - Feb 9^th, 2022 at 7:03pm

"I just wonder when ignorant Anglo fossils will understand and acknowledge that China is a capitalist country and that the CCP, apart from its formal name, has nothing to do with communist ideology.
China has proven to have a much more successful capitalism than your Disneyland deep state Plutocracy and corporatocracy that rule your corrupted declining Disneylands".
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Reply #16 - Feb 9^th, 2022 at 7:14pm

"Australia is now the only "democratic" nation in the world without a national bill of rights. Some comprehensive form of legal protection for basic rights is otherwise seen as an essential check and balance in democratic governance around the world. Indeed, I can find no example of a democratic nation that has gained a new Constitution or legal system in recent decades that has not included some form of a bill of rights, nor am I aware of any such nation that has done away with a bill of rights once it has been put in place.
Why, then, is Australia the exception? The answer lies in Australian gulag history"

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Reply #17 - Feb 9^th, 2022 at 7:16pm

Australia is not a free country. Westerners are trained to believe that that’s what you call any wealthy English-speaking nation with liberal cultural values, but really it’s just a continent-sized US military base with kangaroos. Human rights are allowed only where they are convenient, which is why they are continually disintegrating.
The first mistake in believing that Australia is a free country is believing that it is free. The second is believing that it’s an actual country.
As Julian Assange put it shortly before the Australian government allowed him to be silenced and then imprisoned for journalism exposing US war crimes:

"I love my birth country, Australia, but as a state it doesn’t exist. Here is why: it had its prime minister denounce me, moved to cancel my passport, secretly passed data on me to US intelligence and has never made representations on my behalf. It is owned by US+UK corporations. Before WWII, Australia was dominated by the UK – of which it was a colony. After the war, it subordinated itself to US hegemony. A brief attempt at an independent Australian foreign policy in 1975 resulted in a US+UK-backed constitutional coup".
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Re: CCP stooges openly attack basic freedoms
Reply #18 - Feb 9^th, 2022 at 8:32pm

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:54pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:52pm:

Either way a mad suggestion.
You keep trying to defend the indefensible, eg, the madness of "freedom of belief" and the "right" of individuals to believe whatever nonsense they want - as in India, regardless of the catastrophic consequences on social cohesion.

This from the guy who defends the CCP for killing 50 million Chinese people by trying to help them as a little mistake we should ignore.

"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
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The original CCP stooge is back. We thought you had been sent off for re-education athos.

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

How could you know what freedom is?
Read again:
"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
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Are you on the CCP payroll athos?

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

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Re: CCP stooges openly attack basic freedoms
Reply #19 - Feb 10^th, 2022 at 6:08pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 10^th, 2022 at 8:48am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:59pm:

Great Divide

Are you being paid to post on political sites.

No, I'm here to debate fairness versus "freedom", security versus chaos, and rule by humane authority (via consensus one-party meritocracy) versus rule by competitive self-interest (via adversarial two-party 'democracy').

Only once have I seen any real attempt at debate from you, when you defended 'survival of the 'fittest'...but then in the next breath claimed the world is being stolen from our children....

Why "freedom"?

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Re: CCP stooges openly attack basic freedoms
Reply #20 - Feb 12^th, 2022 at 12:11pm

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 12^th, 2022 at 12:05pm:

Frank wrote on Feb 11^th, 2022 at 7:45pm:

A complete load of Chinese agit-prop bullshit.

Chinese Values vs. Liberalism: What Ideology Will Shape the International Normative Order?
Xuetong Yan
The Chinese Journal of International Politics, Volume 11, Issue 1, Spring 2018, Pages 1–22, https://doi.org/10.1093/cjip/poy001
Published: 08 February 2018

"Use the past to serve the present," declares the website of the China Centre of Jesus College, Cambridge. It seems a sensible motto, until you know that it’s the first half of a maxim of Chairman Mao’s, and that the second half is ‘make the foreign serve China’.

The National Socialist Republic of China.

Refuted in another thread: (from 'Chinese Values vs. Liberalism: What Ideology Will Shape the International Normative Order'?

"The Christian tradition values the concept of equality as one enjoined by the natural law of life.36 However, due to inherent genetic differences and divergent social environments, disparities between human beings are inevitable, as apparent in variances in intelligence, strength, height, weight, and athleticism, as well as in social differences rooted in family background, education, peers, and so on. Focusing on equality without taking these differences into consideration is equivalent to advocating the jungle law of unquestioned equal rights and zero distinctions between the advantaged and the disadvantaged. The individualist value of liberalism thus often leads to conflict rather than cooperation among human beings. Even when defined in terms of competitive opportunity,37 under circumstances where violent means are the best option for winning competitions, absolute equality can still generate life-and-death rivalry. The war between different religious groups in Libya since 2011 is a case in point.38

Benevolence (ren) is the core idea and social norm of Confucianism, which as a governing principle calls upon state leaders to empathise with and care for their peoples".

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Re: CCP stooges openly attack basic freedoms
Reply #21 - Feb 12^th, 2022 at 12:16pm

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 8:32pm:

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:54pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:52pm:

Either way a mad suggestion.
You keep trying to defend the indefensible, eg, the madness of "freedom of belief" and the "right" of individuals to believe whatever nonsense they want - as in India, regardless of the catastrophic consequences on social cohesion.

This from the guy who defends the CCP for killing 50 million Chinese people by trying to help them as a little mistake we should ignore.

"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
Grin

The original CCP stooge is back. We thought you had been sent off for re-education athos.

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

How could you know what freedom is?
Read again:
"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
Grin

Are you on the CCP payroll athos?

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

Excellent question which I see is ignored...

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Re: CCP stooges openly attack basic freedoms
Reply #22 - Feb 13^th, 2022 at 12:59pm

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 8:32pm:

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:54pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:52pm:

Either way a mad suggestion.
You keep trying to defend the indefensible, eg, the madness of "freedom of belief" and the "right" of individuals to believe whatever nonsense they want - as in India, regardless of the catastrophic consequences on social cohesion.

This from the guy who defends the CCP for killing 50 million Chinese people by trying to help them as a little mistake we should ignore.

"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
Grin

The original CCP stooge is back. We thought you had been sent off for re-education athos.

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

How could you know what freedom is?
Read again:
"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
Grin

Are you on the CCP payroll athos?

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

How someone could be free in a British penal colony.

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Re: CCP stooges openly attack basic freedoms
Reply #23 - Feb 13^th, 2022 at 1:14pm

athos wrote on Feb 13^th, 2022 at 12:59pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 8:32pm:

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:54pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:41pm:

athos wrote on Feb 9^th, 2022 at 6:36pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 4:12pm:

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2022 at 3:52pm:

Either way a mad suggestion.
You keep trying to defend the indefensible, eg, the madness of "freedom of belief" and the "right" of individuals to believe whatever nonsense they want - as in India, regardless of the catastrophic consequences on social cohesion.

This from the guy who defends the CCP for killing 50 million Chinese people by trying to help them as a little mistake we should ignore.

"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
Grin

The original CCP stooge is back. We thought you had been sent off for re-education athos.

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

How could you know what freedom is?
Read again:
"Let's not forget that Australia was established as a cruel British Gulag. In such an oppressive Anglo environment, it is very difficult to teach people about the meaning of freedom". (quote)
Grin

Are you on the CCP payroll athos?

Which people do you think are more free - the Australian, or the Chinese?

How someone could be free in a British penal colony.

Is English your second language?

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Re: CCP stooges openly attack basic freedoms
Reply #24 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:30pm

Perhaps this means something to a Chinese audience.

thegreatdivide wrote on Feb 21^st, 2022 at 7:24pm:

The whole sovereignty/ 'election by representation' BS is based on that very delusion. If the King is not sovereign, who is? The individual of course....based on "inherent inalienable rights". Delusional.

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Reply #25 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 10:08am

If the G7 support Ukrainian territorial integrity then the ChiComms demand such a support for China's invasion of Taiwan - which it calls sessessionist although it was NEVER under Chinese commie rule.

Global Times@globaltimesnews
China state-affiliated media#Comment

G7 supports territorial integrity.
Okay. Taiwan, China’s “Donetsk”, has been trying to undermine China’s territorial integrity. When China takes action to eradicate secessionist regime in Taiwan, you must also give China unwavering support.

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The G7 Foreign Ministers strongly condemn Russia’s violation of their international commitments.

We agreed a strong package of coordinated escalatory sanctions in response. Our support is unwavering for the territorial integrity of Ukraine.

China is a snake.

… On her way to work one morning
Down the path alongside the lake
A tender-hearted woman saw a poor half-frozen snake
His pretty colored skin had been all frosted with the dew
"Oh well, " she cried, "I'll take you in and I'll take care of you"
"Take me in, oh, tender woman (yes, come on in)
Take me in, for heaven's sake (yes, come on in)
Take me in, tender woman, " sighed the snake

… Now she wrapped him up all cozy in a coverture of silk
And laid him by the fireside with some honey and some milk
Now she hurried home from work that night, as soon she arrived
Now she found that pretty snake she'd taken in had been revived

… Now she clutched him to her bosom, "You're so beautiful, " she cried
"But if I hadn't brought you in by now you might have died"
Now she stroked his pretty skin again and then kissed and held him tight
But instead of saying thanks, that snake gave her a vicious bite (ooh)

… "I saved you, " cried that woman
"And you've bitten me, even why?
And you know your bite is poisonous and now I'm gonna die"
"Oh, shut up, silly woman, " said that reptile with a grin
"Now you knew darn well I was a snake when you took me in"

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Reply #27 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 4:35pm

The CCP gearing up for another catastrophic mistake (to add to its stack of catastrophic mistakes) that ultimately will be 'forgiven' by force.

The CCP's lethal 'covid zero' stupidity will contribute to China's economic collapse as Shanghai and other major cities are ripped apart by psychotic lockdowns.

It doesn't seem to register with CCP officials that forcing people to cram in lines in huge numbers are, likely, super-spreader events.

Is the CCP competing with Robert Mugabe's government as the world's most murderous and incompetent regime?

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Reply #28 - Mar 30^th, 2022 at 5:09pm

Was listening to an ex-NATO senior discussing rule of law (as opposed to rule by law) with the Chinese foreign minister of the day.

He was telling the minister that rule of law meant that everyone was subject to the law.

The minister nodded and said 'yes, the people must follow the law', but it was clear to the NATO senior that the minister was not referring to the CCP and its officials being subject to law.

He explained to the minister the difference between rule of law and rule by law. The minister was nonplussed that governments and their officials should also be subject to law.

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